Steve McNair Shot to Death

[Defense54]

By this logic the doctor who was murdered deserved it for performing legal abortions.

Wow.  Congrats you win the most asinine comparision award of the Year.   Don't spend the check all in one place....................

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

By this logic the doctor who was murdered deserved it for performing legal abortions.

I have heard that opinion expressed.  Not sure if it made it into our thread here. 

[BigDaddyFin]

He didn't deserve to die like that.  This is one of the reasons anybody in the public eye athletes celebrities etc.  have to be careful who they hang around. 

[Defense54]

He didn't deserve to die like that.  This is one of the reasons anybody in the public eye athletes celebrities etc.  have to be careful who they hang around. 

No of course he didn't deserve to die. The whole thing is as tragic as it comes.  But he is responsible making that chick snap like that.  Look at Joey Buttafuco. Remember that Classy guy?  Mess with kids.........give them stuff, and then walk away after your primal urges have been met...... some people are gonna snap.

[PhinsHelmetOnPenis]

he didn't deserve to die like that but it beats dying in public.
Some people have a fetish for chicks & muzzle flash in the dark, so it can't be that bad

[Defense54]

I wonder how she told him.    Hey Baby..........its ok, let me just go get the Keys.  You sit here and I'll be right back.

He didn't even know what hit him.  BOOM!! She hit him twice in the chest. He like Ouch looking down and then BOOM!! another one in the head.
He never even heard the last one.

[BigDaddyFin]

The latest from yahoo said she shot him while he was sleeping...

[bsmooth]

Wow.  Congrats you win the most asinine comparision award of the Year.   Don't spend the check all in one place....................

Lets see it was stated a man was partly to blame for his murder because of his actions. I bring up a recent event where a man was murdered for his actions, and people believed he deserved it.
So all in all they are a pretty close comparison. The people who said the doctor deserved to die were branded as crazy. Stl has been called nuts for her comparison.
I will spend that check getting you your own pair of clownshoes. Rubber nose is optional.

[Defense54]

Lets see it was stated a man was partly to blame for his murder because of his actions. I bring up a recent event where a man was murdered for his actions, and people believed he deserved it.
So all in all they are a pretty close comparison. The people who said the doctor deserved to die were branded as crazy. Stl has been called nuts for her comparison.
I will spend that check getting you your own pair of clownshoes. Rubber nose is optional.

Don't buy the shoes too big because you will be eating them.

One was a professional Doctor , performing his job as liscensed by the state.  The Murderer acting on his own homicidal veiws of the way he believes the world should be.  Thats the true definition of Murder 1, Completely planned  and that poor man was executed.

The McNair murder couldn't have been more different. About the only simularity is that a person was killed.  The girl acted on her emotions , her needs, not some crazy veiw of the way the world should work.  Had she not had the balls to pull the trigger on herself Crime of passion would have been the defense and I could see her walking the streets again in 10-15 yrs with the right Sympathatic jury. 

The defense would make Steve out to be the Bad guy and this precious little flower the Victim. Weather you agree or not thats the way it would have been played out , still might be.

No such defense exists for the madman that killed that Doctor. The two murders couldn't be more different.  Enjoy the Clown suit.............If the show fits they say.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Don't buy the shoes too big because you will be eating them.

One was a professional Doctor , performing his job as liscensed by the state.  The Murderer acting on his own homicidal veiws of the way he believes the world should be.  Thats the true definition of Murder 1, Completely planned  and that poor man was executed.

The McNair murder couldn't have been more different. About the only simularity is that a person was killed.  The girl acted on her emotions , her needs, not some crazy veiw of the way the world should work.  Had she not had the balls to pull the trigger on herself Crime of passion would have been the defense and I could see her walking the streets again in 10-15 yrs with the right Sympathatic jury. 

The defense would make Steve out to be the Bad guy and this precious little flower the Victim. Weather you agree or not thats the way it would have been played out , still might be.

No such defense exists for the madman that killed that Doctor. The two murders couldn't be more different.  Enjoy the Clown suit.............If the show fits they say.

There is no way she could have raised the vol. manslaughter -- heat of passion defense.  Which as I recall requires an emotional event and no adquiate cooling off period. 

In this case the murderer bought the gun the day before, it is premeditated murder.

The "heat of passion" defense would work if Mrs. McNair saw her husband banging the mistriss.  It does not work for the mistriss being upset about the break up

The only defense either of these clowns would have is the insanity defense.  And the nut that killed the doctor would have a better shot at pevailing on that one.   

[Defense54]

There is no way she could have raised the vol. manslaughter -- heat of passion defense.  Which as I recall requires an emotional event and no adquiate cooling off period. 

In this case the murderer bought the gun the day before, it is premeditated murder.

The "heat of passion" defense would work if Mrs. McNair saw her husband banging the mistriss.  It does not work for the mistriss being upset about the break up

The only defense either of these clowns would have is the insanity defense.  And the nut that killed the doctor would have a better shot at pevailing on that one.   

You think?  Trust me I've seen enough of these trials (I was a court Baliff for 4 years) to see the way the defense works and I've been present in hundreds of jury rooms with juries listening to how they debate the final outcomes.   If the defense picks the right panel, he would have shown the poor 20 yr old girl as a victim. I'm not agreeing with it by any means.......your right. That pre Med. Murder 1. She bought the gun and planned it.   But the defense attorny will bring family wittnesses in that will state she wanted a gun long before she even Met McNair. It was just a coinsidence that she bought it and used it the same week.  Life was good. She just got back from vacation with him. He gave her the new Truck, then used her. She has no criminal record , they would trot out her 3rd grade teacher and girl scout leader. I've seen it. Its evil shit.

I'm telling ya all the state wants is a conviction. Losing it would be HUGE.  They would deal and settle for 12-15. She's out by her 35th birthday.   Happens all the time all day long. 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

You think?  Trust me I've seen enough of these trials (I was a court Baliff for 4 years) to see the way the defense works and I've been present in hundreds of jury rooms with juries listening to how they debate the final outcomes. 

 

Pretty easy to declare bullshit on that one. 

Balliff isn't allowed in the jury room while the jury debates. 

[Defense54]

Pretty easy to declare bullshit on that one. 

Balliff isn't allowed in the jury room while the jury debates. 

If you spent half of the amount of energy replying intelligently to the posts that you spend trying to discredit people you would actually make a lick of sense sometimes.  There is a main door to the hallway and a second that leads to private bathrroms and the jury rooms.  We are Posted outside the door in the small area between the hallway and can only leave when relieved by another Baliff.  You can hear everything. I would never comment or say anything of course but when your sitting there for hours on end.......you hear shit.

Now why don't you actually add to the content ? I've talked to defense attornys and the Prosecution. I've even had a few Pop wows with the judges After the trial of course. You get to see how the game is played after a while. Now after being a road cop for the last 5 yrs and a jailer before that I am far from knowing it all............but I think I have a very rounded education.

[bsmooth]

Don't buy the shoes too big because you will be eating them.

One was a professional Doctor , performing his job as liscensed by the state.  The Murderer acting on his own homicidal veiws of the way he believes the world should be.  Thats the true definition of Murder 1, Completely planned  and that poor man was executed.

The McNair murder couldn't have been more different. About the only simularity is that a person was killed.  The girl acted on her emotions , her needs, not some crazy veiw of the way the world should work.  Had she not had the balls to pull the trigger on herself Crime of passion would have been the defense and I could see her walking the streets again in 10-15 yrs with the right Sympathatic jury. 

The defense would make Steve out to be the Bad guy and this precious little flower the Victim. Weather you agree or not thats the way it would have been played out , still might be.

No such defense exists for the madman that killed that Doctor. The two murders couldn't be more different.  Enjoy the Clown suit.............If the show fits they say.

And any prosecutor with any ability to argue law could destroy that argument. This woman was acting like a gold digger as her myspace page reflects her undying love of a vehicle a much older, richer, and famous man bought for her in exchange for sex. It was not even registered in her name solely. Three days before the murder, she was pulled over and arrested for DUI, with Steve in the vehicle, and I am sure that her behavior during that stop was probably the last straw for him, which would explain why she bought the gun ahead of time. He probably dumped her and she asked him to come over to talk with the intention of threatening to use the gun on herself to get him back, or killing him.
As to your nice long, drawn out discourse on logic, you are wrong.  In both cases someone was murdered because someone did not like what they did or said, and not because of a justifiable reason. Just because you may or may not agree with the victim's morals, ethic, or personal life does not make one murder less heinous than the other. Neither murder has mitigating circumstances by the victim that makes their deaths deserved in the least.

[Defense54]

 

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And any prosecutor with any ability to argue law could destroy that argument. This woman was acting like a gold digger as her myspace page reflects her undying love of a vehicle a much older, richer, and famous man bought for her in exchange for sex. It was not even registered in her name solely. Three days before the murder, she was pulled over and arrested for DUI, with Steve in the vehicle, and I am sure that her behavior during that stop was probably the last straw for him, which would explain why she bought the gun ahead of time. He probably dumped her and she asked him to come over to talk with the intention of threatening to use the gun on herself to get him back, or killing him.

 

Hey I agree with you. But Have you ever sat through an entire Murder trial?  You wouldn't believe how the Victims are made to look like .

As to your nice long, drawn out discourse on logic, you are wrong.  In both cases someone was murdered because someone did not like what they did or said, and not because of a justifiable reason. Just because you may or may not agree with the victim's morals, ethic, or personal life does not make one murder less heinous than the other. Neither murder has mitigating circumstances by the victim that makes their deaths deserved in the least.

She KNEW her Victim. She fucked the shit out of him and did things that would make Hugh Hefner Blush.   

The Victim in the Abortion case did not know the Doctor from Adam.  The cases could not be more different. You just won't admit it.