Official 2009 World Series thread

[Sunstroke]

Until the Yankees embrace and support a hard salary cap (with or without floor, I don't care), then I have to consider them the primary root of all baseball evil, as they perpetuate their competitive advantage by outspending teams who can't spend as much, and buy off the other teams with revenue sharing to justify the maintenance of a corrupt and iniquitous playing field for their franchise to play on.

So, once again...Fuck the Yankees, fuck the Yankees fans and just to make sure we're through in our fucking, fuck anyone with a pinstriped suit.

[Rick]

You guys are starting to sound like Rex Ryan with all this "evil empire" talk!

[MaineDolFan]

I agree with the cap.  I also think you have to have a floor, otherwise it won't work.

MLB will never have the parity that a lot of people seek, however.  There is no way to cap a team's ability to spend in other areas, including scouting, over sea talent, etc.  So major market teams will almost always have that advantage. 

[Sunstroke]

^^^ I disagree a bit...  If you put a cap on what a team can spend on players, then I believe the top end will level out rather quickly. My Padres have a great base for scouting and player development in Latin America, despite being one of the lower payroll clubs. Sure, the Yankees could spend more to build a bigger better facility, but if they can't outspend the small market clubs on free agents, then I really think you'd start seeing some of that parity.

Until there is a salary cap though, the Yankees will remain the evil manipulative egomaniacal blue-blooded bastards of the baseball world.

[YoFuggedaboutit]

I agree with the cap.  I also think you have to have a floor, otherwise it won't work.

MLB will never have the parity that a lot of people seek, however.  There is no way to cap a team's ability to spend in other areas, including scouting, over sea talent, etc.  So major market teams will almost always have that advantage. 

I also agree with a salary cap and salary floor.  But it will never happen in MLB.  The Player's Union is too strong and will never go for it.

[MaineDolFan]

Not really and the reason why is the amount of time a young player is under a club's control for cheap.  San Diego's system can't be that great, they are not producing talent at a rate that would be needed to succeed under a system that capped spending.  

Bill Gayton is all but out as scouting director based on his not so great effort as of late.  Moorad just went on the record last week saying he is very disappointed in the status of the Padres farm system.  This past year a lot of the kids were pushed on the MLB scene quickly -- and did okay -- so that system certainly isn't as bad at Baseball America's 29th of 30th ranking...

But I wouldn't sit back and be too comfortable with the youngsters coming up.  The players that they do have are deep in the system and years away from contributing to San Diego's success, like Castro.  Last year's draft had me scratching my head a little in some of the players they passed up.

Under a hard cap you would need to field over half of your team from your system and draft.  Taking a look at San Diego's roster as it is right now you would be able to keep Adrian Gonzalez and Kevin Kouzmanoff but would lose a lot of the other starting players in your field.  You probably would not be able to afford Bell come arbitration, so you would need someone ready to take his slot.

Looking at San Diego's system right now I don't see 12-13 guys I could pluck out of there and put on the MLB roster and produce at a high level in 2011.  Do you?

I expect that to change, especially if the Padres hire Hoyer as the GM (which I am willing to bet they will).  I think you might see someone like Gonzalez traded for the exact reason of obtaining 3-4 prospects of A level talent.  

I am not seeing this overwhelming success at the farm system that you seem to.  If a cap went into place for the 2011 season the Padres would be in tough shape for a bit.

My point?  There are teams out scouting and out hustling smaller market teams for the diamonds in the rough.  For every David Price out there you'll find 5 Jake Peavy type players.  Texas is full of prospects that grade out to B or A status that were low round draft choices and almost no front end money.  Those are guys that Texas will have on the books at small salaries for 5-6 years before they have to worry about a large payday.

Wow am I rambling...

[Denver_Bronco]

Sabotaged thread!

YANKEES WORLD CHAMPS tomorrow night! 

[Dave Gray]

I really, really, REALLY hope that the MLB incorporates a salary cap.  (Ceiling and floor preferred.)

You just can't have these small market teams build any kind of legacy (not even winning legacy, but any kind of stability) without it.  It's hard to have the faces change every year.  The community just can't rally behind a totally new roster every year.  In turn, you can't market the team logo -- you need the player personalities, too, and you just don't have that now on these struggling teams.

The Yankees would still be the Yankees -- they'd have their diehard, broad fanbase, the best scouts in the business, a great facility, the "honor" of playing in the pinstripes, etc.  ...but it would give the other teams a chance to become that, as well.

[StL FinFan]

I live in a small market (I think) and my team has a great legacy.  Of course, they've been around since 1892.

[YoFuggedaboutit]

I live in a small market (I think) and my team has a great legacy.  Of course, they've been around since 1892.

And they have won the second most World Series titles next to the Yankees

[Sunstroke]

The Yankees would still be the Yankees -- they'd have their diehard, broad fanbase, the best scouts in the business, a great facility, the "honor" of playing in the pinstripes, etc.  ...but it would give the other teams a chance to become that, as well.

Therein lies the reason that the Yankees will never embrace a salary cap, and will continue to hold the league cash-hostage in perpetuity. They don't want other teams to grow...they enjoy being the one with the keys to the vault.

[dolphantom]

Until the Yankees embrace and support a hard salary cap (with or without floor, I don't care), then I have to consider them the primary root of all baseball evil, as they perpetuate their competitive advantage by outspending teams who can't spend as much, and buy off the other teams with revenue sharing to justify the maintenance of a corrupt and iniquitous playing field for their franchise to play on.

So, once again...Fuck the Yankees, fuck the Yankees fans and just to make sure we're through in our fucking, fuck anyone with a pinstriped suit.





all the money in the world can't guarantee a winning season. the yanks have proved that. too many egos can be damaging to a team's chemistry. the money issue, although a valid point, really does not make them win. dont get me wrong, it sure as shit helps, but winning is more than just having the top players. gotta have chemistry. when people come to play for the yankees, they seem to play with more pride. the tradition maybe, i dont know. but the yanks had lots of home grown talent over the years.........jeter, posada, cabrera, bernie, pettite, riviera , gardner, cano , mattingly, hughes, joba, just to name a few. i get your point , but its just like the cowboys and jerry jones. eveyone hates the cowboys because they are bottomless and they win. God knows i do.  but all it comes down to is sour grapes .

[Sunstroke]

Sorry, Phantom, but it isn't like the Cowboys at all, as the NFL has a hard salary cap. And I get tired of the "money doesn't buy you championships" argument as well, because money DOES buy you talent, and talent wins world series. That's like two guys lining up for a 100 yard sprint, one guy jumps a half second early and says "just because I got a headstart doesn't mean I'm going to win." Of course it doesn't...but it sure as all hell increases your chances.

Yankees = evil
Non-capped professional sports league = unfair

These are not issues to debate, as much as they are truths to behold.

Viva la Senior Circuit!!

[Denver_Bronco]

LOL! Another nice call, huh? 


For some odd reason Matsui loves to hit against Pedro.

[SCFinfan]

Woohoo! 27, baby!