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ethurst22
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« on: October 28, 2009, 04:44:21 pm »
Here in Denver, the cops are lousy.

Yesterday, this guy was attacked downtown by two thugs. They were trying to rob him. By the way, this wasn't just any guy that they attacked...this guy happened to be a former Golden Gloves champion.

Well, he beat the crap out of them and guess what?

The city of Denver is charging HIM with assault! The booked him into the county jail. Lucklily, a friend bailed him out.

Now he has a high profile lawyer that's going to represent him for free because he says that the man was fighting in self defense.

Do you guys or gals believe that he should have been arrested and charged?
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2009, 04:45:44 pm »
Quote from: ethurst22 on October 28, 2009, 04:44:21 pm
Here in Denver, the cops are lousy.

Yesterday, this guy was attacked downtown by two thugs. They were trying to rob him. By the way, this wasn't just any guy that they attacked...this guy happened to be a former Golden Gloves champion.

Well, he beat the crap out of them and guess what?

The city of Denver is charging HIM with assault! The booked him into the county jail. Lucklily, a friend bailed him out.

Now he has a high profile lawyer that's going to represent him for free because he says that the man was fighting in self defense.

Do you guys or gals believe that he should have been arrested and charged?

I would sue the pants off the city and make sure the cops who arrested him are shoveling horse shit for the rest of their life and handing their hard earned green over to him.
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2009, 04:56:14 pm »
Noe one should be charged for assault in a clear case of self defense.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2009, 04:59:16 pm »
IF it was self defense, then no there shouldn't be any charge. However, I would like to read about what happened. Perhaps there are some other circumstances that we're not aware of?
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2009, 05:01:33 pm »

Assuming there aren't any relevant details missing from the readers digest version above, this seems to be an obvious case of self defense. If I'm mayor of that city, I not only make sure the charges are dropped, but I applaud the guy loudly and publicly.
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2009, 05:16:49 pm »
If things are the way you described it, then there should be no charges.

This reminds me of the Bernie Goetz case from 1984.  For those of you that don't know, Bernie (along with many other people) were fed up with crime in NYC.  He went to the Subway with an illegal firearm.  When 4 guys tried to mug him, he killed all of them.  He was eventually acquitted, but the general consensus was that he went into the Subway with an intent to kill, and used the mugging attempt as an excuse for vigilantism. 

The Watchmen Blu-Ray has an interesting documentary on it.
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2009, 05:24:05 pm »
Maybe the charges are because he kept beating them after there was no longer a clear threat anymore, which as a highly trained fighter he should have been able to recognize
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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2009, 07:23:42 pm »
Can we get a link,otherwise this thread is VERY short on facts,and alot of hear say.....

There is a thin line between Self defense,and Assault....(I'm sorry Maine ) but I'm going to use Maine as an example....

Maine's walking to his car after work,two guy's approach him,with knives.(Maine would probably not take this approach,but go with me here Cheesy ) Maine,Scuffels with one of the men,Maine breaks one of the assailants legs...The other guy seeing Maine do this Runs off....It's self defense...Now with one man left,disabled on the ground...Now of Maine Walks over to the guy on the ground,and starts stomping on his head in angry...It's assault....Maine's life was no longer in danger.....And they every right to charge him with assault....

On a semi hijack side note...Back in the early 90's when I was boxing,I had to go register with the police...I'm not sure of the local laws there,but I'm betting being a former boxer has something to do with it....Since the boxing community here,is null and void...I'm not even sure the law applies.....
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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2009, 07:31:28 pm »
The last bar I worked security for had several members of its staff who were both amateur and profession MMA fighters, and the rest of the crew worked out with them to pick up a few things.
The fighters knew by state law they had the right to defend themselves, but it was a very fine lne, as they were expected to know when the threat had reasonably ceased.
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2009, 11:21:04 pm »
While I agree with all of you, I will add a little bit to what Lil B and BSmooth alluded to ...

In some (if not most) states, you can only use self defense to the point where you no longer are in danger.  After a certain point, it is considered assault.  Likewise, in some states, you can defend, even kill a person that is threatening your life while in your own house (creatively nicknamed the "my castle rule").  HOWEVER, in some states, believe it or not, you have a duty to flee your own house.  You can only use self defense if fleeing is not possible!
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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2009, 01:18:32 am »
Quote from: Lee on October 28, 2009, 11:21:04 pm
HOWEVER, in some states, believe it or not, you have a duty to flee your own house.  You can only use self defense if fleeing is not possible!

Lee, Florida doesn't recognize a duty to flee, right?
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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2009, 09:38:59 am »
B hit it on the head.

You are able to protect yourself within the same outlines of the force you are being attacked with.  At the end of the day if the guys that attacked you look worse than you do...well...that is assault.

Which is why everyone should simply carry pepper spray!  Smiley
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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2009, 09:49:15 am »
Quote from: MaineDolFan on October 29, 2009, 09:38:59 am
Which is why everyone should simply carry pepper spray!  Smiley

I realized the other day that if attacked while running, I have nothing to protect myself with. I'm investing in pepper spray. Are they all the same or is there one that is better than others?
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« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2009, 09:58:25 am »
Quote from: Gabriel on October 29, 2009, 01:18:32 am
Lee, Florida doesn't recognize a duty to flee, right?



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« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2009, 09:59:20 am »
Quote from: MaineDolFan on October 29, 2009, 09:38:59 am
You are able to protect yourself within the same outlines of the force you are being attacked with.  At the end of the day if the guys that attacked you look worse than you do...well...that is assault.


Good thing I am pretty ugly then. It gives me more room to work with.
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