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« Reply #75 on: December 13, 2009, 10:07:36 pm »

We run the table and we're in, I believe.

Not yet.  We need Baltimore to lose, as well, or the Pats to lose.
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« Reply #76 on: December 14, 2009, 02:08:25 am »

Not yet.  We need Baltimore to lose, as well, or the Pats to lose.

Wild Card wise, where do we stand?  We run the table, Baltimore has to lose, and what about the Donkos?
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« Reply #77 on: December 14, 2009, 02:43:17 am »

On Sportscentre (canadian sports show) they said that if the Dolphins win out they WOULD clinch at least the lowest wildcard spot.
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« Reply #78 on: December 14, 2009, 04:01:55 am »

If BAL and MIA win out (and no other team is at 10-6), BAL wins.

3rd tiebreaker is common games, minimum of four.  In the case of BAL and MIA, common games are NE, PIT, SD, IND.

If MIA wins out, they will be 2-3 (losses to NE, IND, SD)
If BAL wins out, they will be 3-2 (losses to NE, IND)

Even if a third team is at 10-6 (say, DEN), it would be impossible for MIA to leapfrog BAL (as opposed to the leapfrog scenario if NE had lost to CAR and won the rest; NE would have won a 2-way tiebreaker against MIA but lost a 3-way tiebreaker against MIA and NYJ).
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« Reply #79 on: December 14, 2009, 04:02:45 am »

^^ Not yet.  You can test it yourself here > http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/playoffscenario?algorithm=WinningPct

Miami still needs help.

They can get in by winning out

+ one of the following:
any loss by the Ravens,
any loss by the Pats
2 losses by the Broncos
3 losses by Cincinnati

Mathematically, the Fins can lose another game if a lot of things go their way, but this is the most likely path.  They don't control their own destiny just yet, though.
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« Reply #80 on: December 14, 2009, 05:06:24 am »

Have you seen Baltmore's schedule? LOL!

Mathematics are setting in on the Fishies..........
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« Reply #81 on: December 14, 2009, 07:34:01 am »

isn't it funny we are talking about playoffs considering three weeks into the season this team was 0-3 and the playoffs seemed like a long shot.

What was the chances given of making the playoffs after starting the season 0-3?
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« Reply #82 on: December 14, 2009, 08:37:24 am »

We still haven't done but it does appear I gave up on the playoffs too soon. The funny thing is I've gotten exactly what I wanted and that seems to be working  ... Chad Henne and much less Wildcat!! For those counting ... Chad Henne is 7-3 right now!! Not too shabby by any means.
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« Reply #83 on: December 14, 2009, 08:51:37 am »

And your wildcards are...............

Broncos and Ravens!  Grin

Miami's only chance is to win that atrocious division.
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« Reply #84 on: December 14, 2009, 09:04:42 am »

And your wildcards are...............

Broncos and Ravens!  Grin

Miami's only chance is to win that atrocious division.

And the Broncos crap their pants in the 1st round of the playoffs!!!!!!!
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« Reply #85 on: December 14, 2009, 11:02:00 am »

Miami still needs help.

They can get in by winning out

+ one of the following:
any loss by the Ravens,
any loss by the Pats
2 losses by the Broncos
3 losses by Cincinnati

1 loss by the Broncos would do it, providing that loss came against the Chiefs or Raiders. In that case, Miami would pass Denver on conference record.

If we wind up 10-6 with Baltimore and Denver, we'll be in common games territory:

DENVER: IND(L), NE (W), SDx2 (WL), PIT(L)
MIAMI: IND(L), SD(L), NEx2(WL), PIT(W)
BALTIMORE: IND(L), SD(W), NE(L), PITx2(WW)

Baltimore wins that one and gets the first wild card.

Denver and Miami start out from the top of the tiebreakers table, but without a head-to-head, it falls to Strength of Victory.

Right now, the teams Denver has won against (+KC and OAK) have won 58 games. Right now, the teams Miami has won against (+TEN, HOU, and PIT) have won 58 games. In other words, it's going to come right down to the wire.

Like I've said from the get-go, SOV (and SOS) is a MESS!

Both teams have 1 win against the Patriots, so they can be excluded from further considerations. That still leaves quite a few teams, though.

DENVER: Bengals, Browns, Chargers, Raiders*2, Chiefs*2, Cowboys, Giants.
MIAMI: Jets*2, Bills, Steelers, Jaguars, Titans, Texans, Panthers, Bucs.

There are 15 teams, each with 3 games left and although some play against each other, we're still talking about 40 games. Key matchups are those where one of "our" teams play one of "their" teams. Cincinnati @ New York Jets in week 17, for example.

The Bengals have the Chargers (away), Chiefs and Jets (away) remaining on their schedule. I doubt they'll win against the Chargers, but hopefully they'll be locked in by week 17 and rest their starters against the Jets. Either way, a win by the Jets would be a HUGE boon for the Dolphins (we have 2 wins against them, so it would effectively by a 3-point swing).

Oakland and KC suck and have tough remaining schedules. I doubt that get more than 2 wins combined. (And if they do, it'll be by beating Denver or Baltimore... which would get us a Wild Card anyway -- or the Bengals, who also figure on Denver's list, making that result less important -- only less since the Broncos have a sweep, so a Bengals win would be preferable).

The Browns play away at KC, home against Oakland and the Jags. The best result would be wins by the Browns in the first two games -- again due to Denver's sweep of KC and OAK. They could easily lose both, though.

The Giants have @WAS, CAR, and @MIN. Unfortunately, Minnesota will probably be resting their starters, so that's looking like 3 wins.

Dallas play @NO, @WAS, and PHI. Interesting schedule, to say the least. Undefeated Saints, huge rivals and possible division title game. Anywhere from 0 to 3 wins Wink

The Chargers have the Bengals (irrelevant), @TEN and WAS. Since this whole exercise rests on Miami winning against the Titans, that's a huge game. If the Chargers beat Cincy next week, they'll be pretty well locked in, so the Titans should be able to put up a good fight. 1 or 2 wins looks the most likely.

In total, that puts the Broncos at somewhere between +9 and +13, providing the Jets win against Cincy in week 17.

Looking at Miami's list...

The Jets have Atlanta at home, @Indianapolis, and Cincy at home. Atlanta are really struggling right now, so they should be able to get that one. If the Colts lose to Jacksonville this weekend, maybe they'll pull their starters. Big maybe. The Bengals game at home is a biggie, as stated above, but I'm a believer! Wink

Buffalo a loss next week to the Patriots after which they visit Atlanta before finishing the season at home against the Colts. Doubtful they get more than 1 win and 0 looks very likely.

Pittsburgh host the Packers and Ravens before losing to the Dolphins in week 17 (that was the premise, after all). Tough group. A win over the Ravens would open a whole different scenario, so that's a loss. The Packers play really well, so I wouldn't count that in the win column either. Zero it is for Pittsburgh then...

Jacksonville have a tough schedule: IND, @NE, CLE. At this point we should be hoping for a Jax win over the Colts, that would open up some possibilities. Otherwise, this looks like 1 win.

The Titans also have a tough schedule: MIA, SD, @SEA. It would be REALLY good for the Dolphins if the Titans could best the Chargers. Big swing game. 1 win otherwise (again, the premise is that the Dolphins win out).

Houston have @STL, @MIA, and NE. With NE resting their starters, that could be 2 wins.

Panthers and Bucs suck. They might get a win or two between them.

That makes for a total of around +8 for the Dolphins SOV.

To beat the Broncos in SOV, we really need the Jets to beat the Bengals and the Titans to upset the Chargers. Probably also another game or so in week 17 surprises.
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« Reply #86 on: December 14, 2009, 11:52:49 am »

And the Broncos crap their pants in the 1st round of the playoffs!!!!!!!
But Miami is home watching them crap their pants in the first round of the playoffs. Thats the key!
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« Reply #87 on: December 14, 2009, 12:18:40 pm »


^^^ Expecting anything else from a team in the early stages of a massive rebuilding job would be fairly delusional...just like expecting the Donkeys to beat anyone in the playoffs is fairly delusional.

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« Reply #88 on: December 14, 2009, 12:48:36 pm »

I really don't see the Broncos making the playoffs, they are in meltdown mode.  I'm guaranteeing they will lose to the Raiders this week.  The Dolphins schedule is looking easier with Pittsburgh out of the playoffs, not that I think Miami will do much if they do make the post season.  Anyways, I will be at the Buffalo/NE game this weekend, gulp... rooting for the Bills.  The Ravens are the team that will probably edge out Miami for the last playoff spot.
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« Reply #89 on: December 14, 2009, 12:57:55 pm »

I learned the tiebreakers are far more complicated then I anticipated.

We are behind Jax even though we beat them.

Mind-boggling stuff
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