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« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2009, 03:38:01 pm »

I don't think you understand my position. This will be a good game. I was hoping Texas went down so TCU got their shot, but it didn't happen. You are upset these guys are not playing traditional powers. I get it. But honestly these two teams make up a very good football game.

I am not saying it will not be a good game, but this game saves the BCS's ass. If you put these two teams against two tradition BCS power programs from the "elite" confereces, then there is a very good chance the non BCS schools win and you will have 3-4 undefeated teams at the end of the year. If Bama and Boise St both win and are undefeated, should Bama get the NC because they got to start the season ranked much higher? I say no, and I hope we have a split NC again when the polls are done.
Cut the bowl games in half and have a limited playoff.
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« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2009, 05:09:58 pm »

Boise State beat Oregon, who won the Pac-10.
TCU beat Clemson, who finished 2nd in the ACC, as well as beating BYU and Utah (both of whom were ranked No.16 at the time they played TCU).
Since you asked.

Yeah, I see that.  But I also listed 9 games against less than stellar opponents.  Their schedule appears weak compared to what any team aspiring to the NC would have.  I don't know if they'd go undefeated in the Big 10, or Big 12, or even ACC. 

I think most teams either have 6 or 7 home games. I don't know anyone of the bigs who have 8.

Michigan had 8 at home, 4 away.  So did Ohio State and penn State.  You're right, most teams do the 6-6 or 7-4-1 (the 1 being a neutral site game)

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« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2009, 05:49:23 pm »

Yeah, I see that.  But I also listed 9 games against less than stellar opponents.  Their schedule appears weak compared to what any team aspiring to the NC would have.  I don't know if they'd go undefeated in the Big 10, or Big 12, or even ACC. 

There's the problem...we won't ever know how they'd do if they played a schedule every year that included 3 or 4 of the "BCS big dogs," because the big dogs are cowering in their doghouses, afraid that the scrappy liitle mutt growling outside is gonna kick their ass and steal their bone.

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« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2009, 05:53:43 pm »

I read an article earlier this season on CBS Sportsline about Boise State, and how they have problems getting early fall (pre-conference) games against "big name schools". They've offered to go anywhere in the country to play, and no schools take them up on it, because they are worried about getting beat by a non-BCS school.

A playoff system is needed. No doubt. Jim Mora should be in charge of it.

They asked him to do it but he turn them down.  "Playoffs, you want to talk about playoffs?  Don't talk to me about playoffs.  Playoffs?  Are you kidding me?  Playoffs?" 
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« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2009, 06:42:58 pm »

There's the problem...we won't ever know how they'd do if they played a schedule every year that included 3 or 4 of the "BCS big dogs," because the big dogs are cowering in their doghouses, afraid that the scrappy liitle mutt growling outside is gonna kick their ass and steal their bone.



I hope they never have a schedule with 3-4 Big Dogs because the Big Dogs usually don't even have 3-4 games against other Big Dogs.
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« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2009, 07:10:20 pm »

There's the problem...we won't ever know how they'd do if they played a schedule every year that included 3 or 4 of the "BCS big dogs," because the big dogs are cowering in their doghouses, afraid that the scrappy liitle mutt growling outside is gonna kick their ass and steal their bone.

More than fixing the BCS system, I'd like for there to be rules put in place regarding home/away schedules and number of cupcakes on your schedule.
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« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2009, 07:36:54 pm »

Yeah, I see that.  But I also listed 9 games against less than stellar opponents.  Their schedule appears weak compared to what any team aspiring to the NC would have.  I don't know if they'd go undefeated in the Big 10, or Big 12, or even ACC.

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Only one team among the 10 in the five BCS games has a win over a BCS conference champ - Boise State over Oregon.

The evidence of discrimination is taller than any mountain peak in the nation.

Everyone downgrades the schedules of non-BCS schools. But are they really that different?

Your No. 1 team, Alabama, won nonconference games against Florida International, North Texas and Chattanooga. Coming soon to the schedule: the University of Phoenix.

It played in the SEC, which had only three teams with a winning conference record and scheduled 33 games against non-BCS schools (going 32-1), the best of which was Houston, which beat Mississippi State.

Runner-up Florida, which received a Sugar Bowl berth, beat Charleston, Troy and dreaded FIU in nonconference games. Only four SEC schools had winning records against strictly BCS competition, yet they had 10 "bowl eligible" teams.

Your No. 2 team, Texas, barely beat a 9-3 Nebraska team in the SEC title game. The Longhorns scheduled Louisiana-Monroe, Wyoming, UTEP and Southern Mississippi this season. Coming soon: Argosy University.

Only five Big 12 teams had winning conference records. The conference scheduled more non-BCS opponents than anyone, 36, and lost six. They were 5-7 in the absurdly low 12 nonconference games against BCS teams, and four of the wins were to sub-.500 teams.

Yet nine of the Big 12 teams are bowl eligible.

Long story short: the "powerhouse" conferences intentionally select powder-puff non-conference schedules to pad their record, then play internally to manufacture "tough wins" (against in-conference opponents with similarly padded records).
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« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2009, 08:19:16 pm »

there are too many bowl games.

I agree with Brian. Too many bowls.

College teams should play 8 games a year and have a wild card, divisional and championship round to get to the BCS. The playoff games would make it a 9 or 12 game season.

Start the playoffs on January 1 and end everything by Jan 15 or start the college football season a few weeks earlier.
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« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2009, 08:21:12 pm »

More than fixing the BCS system, I'd like for there to be rules put in place regarding home/away schedules and number of cupcakes on your schedule.

This is very spot on! Eliminate the cupcake games! I'm not interested in seeing UM play Robert Morris College!
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« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2009, 08:31:13 pm »

^ so don't watch
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« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2009, 08:46:19 pm »

This is very spot on! Eliminate the cupcake games! I'm not interested in seeing UM play Robert Morris College!

One cupcake game should be at the beginning of the season.  Kinda like a "tune up game".  Any other non-conference games should be marquee matchups.
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« Reply #41 on: December 07, 2009, 09:18:06 pm »

How about you have to have a winning record to go to a bowl game? No 6-6 team deserves a bowl.
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« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2009, 02:11:37 pm »

If you ever wondered why I really hate and utterly detest college football to the point that I can't even watch it, this thread explains why.

If the NFL ever did anything where:

1. A score (other than your record) determines who plays for a Championship, or
2. A league where teams can pick their own schedules

I'd never watch the NFL ever again. Period.

College Football is a complete disaster. I hate all of these crazy conferences, I hate how teams pick their own schedules, and I hate that there aren't any playoffs whatsoever like EVERY OTHER SPORTS LEAGUE IN THE FREAKING WORLD.

The NFL should open up a minor league (like baseball where they have AA and AAA teams) and that would render college football completely irrelevant (like college baseball is completely useless). Then 18 year olds would get drafted out of high school and play in the AA and AAA football teams and get "called up" when they are ready.
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« Reply #43 on: December 08, 2009, 02:51:09 pm »

The NFL should open up a minor league (like baseball where they have AA and AAA teams) and that would render college football completely irrelevant (like college baseball is completely useless). Then 18 year olds would get drafted out of high school and play in the AA and AAA football teams and get "called up" when they are ready.

I believe if you put more than 5 seconds into considering all aspects of this "minor league," you'd find that it is equal parts ridiculous and impossible.

The answer isn't abolishing college football...the answer is instituting a playoff system and some schedule control within college football.

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« Reply #44 on: December 08, 2009, 03:23:17 pm »

I think that if you have a playoff, the schedule control thing will take care of itself.
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