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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2009, 05:38:10 pm »


^^^ Though in Woodson's case, the hard-line Heisman voters had to consider his contributions as a punt returner and occasional use as a WR for Michigan (25 receptions his last 2 years) in addition to his elite play on defense.

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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2009, 05:48:10 pm »

^^^ Though in Woodson's case, the hard-line Heisman voters had to consider his contributions as a punt returner and occasional use as a WR for Michigan (25 receptions his last 2 years) in addition to his elite play on defense.



Very true. He was actually on the Michigan roster as a CB/WR, but the official Heisman site lists him as a CB only.

But like I was stating in my reply to Stl, he is the only defensive player to have won it.
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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2009, 08:37:29 pm »

No true defensive player has ever won as Woodson went both ways which raised his stock. He probably would not have won without the offensive stats
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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2009, 10:21:10 am »

the Heisman is a curse.   year after year  those who win the coveted prize go on to be Pro Bust.  Not to many succeed.
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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2009, 10:53:25 am »

the Heisman is a curse.   year after year  those who win the coveted prize go on to be Pro Bust.  Not to many succeed.

There is no Heisman curse...just a wide and often confused gap between "what makes a great college football player" and "what makes a college football player a great pro prospect."

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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2009, 10:54:14 pm »

the Heisman is a curse.   year after year  those who win the coveted prize go on to be Pro Bust.  Not to many succeed.

Not necessarily.  About 1/3 are complete busts, 1/3 become nothing more than serviceable players, and 1/3 succeed, sometimes in a different role. 

Had to gravedig this. 

http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=9086.msg92037#msg92037
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« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2009, 12:40:54 pm »

Also, the college talent pool is so much larger than in the NFL.  A huge number of those players aren't going to make it in the NFL, period.

As for the Heisman, it's not meant to be a prediction of future players.  It's an award for current ones.  I think that Eric Crouch is a great example.  He was a great system QB in college, a great athlete, but ultimately, not cut out for the NFL.  The NFL will probably be the same way to a guy like Tebow.
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« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2009, 01:14:26 pm »

Also, the college talent pool is so much larger than in the NFL.  A huge number of those players aren't going to make it in the NFL, period.

As for the Heisman, it's not meant to be a prediction of future players.  It's an award for current ones.  I think that Eric Crouch is a great example.  He was a great system QB in college, a great athlete, but ultimately, not cut out for the NFL.  The NFL will probably be the same way to a guy like Tebow.

At least Tebow has a chance to play a different position. I could see him at fullback.

Anyway, Ingram will probably win, but I'll be pulling for Gerhart.
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« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2009, 01:23:57 pm »

At least Tebow has a chance to play a different position. I could see him at fullback.

People say that -- me included (though I think TE is the most likely choice).   But, does that really happen?  Eric Crouch was supposed to come in and play safety.  It just doesn't seem to happen.  If you were looking for a FB or a TE, why wouldn't you just draft one, instead of trying to convert one?
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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2009, 02:08:24 pm »

Also, the college talent pool is so much larger than in the NFL.  A huge number of those players aren't going to make it in the NFL, period.

As for the Heisman, it's not meant to be a prediction of future players.  It's an award for current ones.  I think that Eric Crouch is a great example.  He was a great system QB in college, a great athlete, but ultimately, not cut out for the NFL.  The NFL will probably be the same way to a guy like Tebow.

Same goes for Danny Wuerffel.  He won everything in college and didn't get drafted.  Although he was a great college player, we all knew he didn't have the height or the arm strength to make it as a QB.

Charlie Ward is in the same boat, although he might've had some success in the NFL.  We'll never know.  What we do know is that Ward was such a gifted athlete that he had a long career in pro BASKETBALL. 
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« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2009, 02:08:44 pm »

People say that -- me included (though I think TE is the most likely choice).   But, does that really happen?  Eric Crouch was supposed to come in and play safety.  It just doesn't seem to happen.  If you were looking for a FB or a TE, why wouldn't you just draft one, instead of trying to convert one?

Michael Robinson was a QB at Penn State , but played RB and now FB for the Niners. And the NFL is full of college QB's converted to WR's. Antwan Randel-El is the best example. (I think the Pats have 2 on their roster).
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« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2009, 03:22:51 pm »

Michael Robinson was a QB at Penn State , but played RB and now FB for the Niners. And the NFL is full of college QB's converted to WR's. Antwan Randel-El is the best example. (I think the Pats have 2 on their roster).

Were these guys that made the transition away from QB AFTER college?  Just asking.

Any you can name some guys, but only 1 that I've ever heard of.  It's pretty unlikely and usually doesn't work out all that well.  I'm all for Tebow giving it a shot.  With the wildcat offense now prevalent in the NFL, I imagine it will open some doors for him to make a roster somewhere.
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« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2009, 03:48:26 pm »

Matt Jones was drafted in the first round by the Jags and immediately converted him to wide receiver. I believe he was the QB for Arkansas. 
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« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2009, 12:04:29 pm »




GIVE THE HEISMAN
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« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2009, 12:39:09 pm »

How could you give the Heisman to Suh if Colt McCoy took his team down the field againstSuh's team for the winning field goal? He obviously couldn't do enough to trump McCoy, let alone the other guys in the Heisman field.
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