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« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2010, 06:23:42 pm »

Yep.  No veteran wide receiver is worth trading for your #1.  I challenge you to cite any historical example where such a move has been successful.

Challenge accepted.

The Dolphins traded a number one in the 1970 draft to Cleveland for Paul Warfield, which worked out pretty well. The Browns took Mike Phipps with the pick,  which didn't work out so well for them.

Ok, it was 40 years ago, but you didn't specify a time frame other than history.

ROFL!!!!  Spider Dan got egg on his face now!!!  Word of advice, Spider.  If you want to win in Dolphins Trivia, don't go against Doctor D
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« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2010, 07:03:19 pm »


One example in 40 years doesn't inspire a ton of confidence in that side of the argument, imo...

I am on the other side...never trade your first round pick for someone else's vet WR.

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« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2010, 08:01:45 pm »

Taylor Mays is very over-rated.  Sure he's huge for a SS, and is a big hitter, but he doesn't wrap up his tackles and his coverage is HORRIBLE!  He is pretty much a Roy Williams clone.

I see Sean Taylor in Taylor Mays.  Wrapping tackles can be learned, 6'3" 230 with 4.4 speed and that athletic ability can't.  I like the kid.  I am still irrate from them taking Jason Allen over Antonio Cromartie who I also saw Sean Taylor in.

If we can get Mt. Cody that would be fantastic as well!
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« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2010, 10:31:19 am »


Safeties worth first round picks are few and far between, I think.


I agree picking a safety in the first round is a lot like picking a right tackle in the first round.  In first round you want shutdown corners and left tackles.  If you messed up and over evaluated them you move the corner to safety and the hopeful left tackle to right tackle. 
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« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2010, 06:32:06 pm »

I agree picking a safety in the first round is a lot like picking a right tackle in the first round.  In first round you want shutdown corners and left tackles.  If you messed up and over evaluated them you move the corner to safety and the hopeful left tackle to right tackle. 

Ed Reed, Troy Polomalu and Sean Taylor were worth their value as 1st rounders.  I would put Mays closer to these players rather than with Jason Allen.  Eric Berry would be a steal at #12, but he won't make it out of the Top 10 unless he pulls a Pac Man and makes it rain before shooting up a strip joint.

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« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2010, 01:48:52 pm »

I am on the other side...never trade your first round pick for someone else's vet WR.

How about a 2nd and 3rd?
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« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2010, 01:50:25 pm »

How about a 2nd and 3rd?

How about a 2nd and Ted Ginn?
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« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2010, 01:59:36 pm »

^In my humble opinion, they can just HAVE Ginn Jr.
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« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2010, 04:47:33 pm »

^In my humble opinion, they can just HAVE Ginn Jr.

I would have to agree with this.
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« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2010, 06:17:21 pm »

I see Sean Taylor in Taylor Mays.  Wrapping tackles can be learned, 6'3" 230 with 4.4 speed and that athletic ability can't.  I like the kid. 

Comparing Taylor Mays to Sean Taylor is like comparing Ted Ginn jr to Andre Johnson. Aside from positional similarities, they really are nothing alike. Taylor Mays has zero pass coverage skills. None whatsoever. He's a great hitter, but that's all he is. He will be a strong safety in the NFL, because free safety isn't a position he's suited for at the next level.

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« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2010, 03:34:47 pm »

I still say Marshall is worth the #12 pick.

Glad to see SOMEONE agrees with me.  Thanks, Zach Thomas!

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2010/03/11/zach-thomas-trade-12th-pick-for-brandon-marshall/
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« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2010, 03:57:42 pm »


I really don't think we'd have to give up our first rounder to get Brandon Marshall, despite his tender. I think if you went to Denver with a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year, they'd pounce on it like me on a pizza.

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« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2010, 04:50:53 pm »


I am on the other side...never trade your first round pick for someone else's vet WR.


But your 2nd and 7th or 4th....absolutely!
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« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2010, 05:24:29 pm »


Hell, in the post above, I considered a pair of second rounders...

If we could get Brandon Marshall for a second and a fourth rounder, I'd do it in a heartbeat. I just don't want to lose the increased possibility of "also" getting a stud defensive anchor at #12 overall.

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« Reply #44 on: March 12, 2010, 11:05:21 am »

I don't think you can get him for a 2nd.  The reason Austin Miles has the tender on him that he does it that Dallas would be flexible in what they would accept in a tender to him.  Denver only placing a 1st round on Marshall, to me, speaks clearly:  1st round, period.  Without a 1st rounder we will happily hang on to this guy, don't bother offering anything less.

I don't think a late round 1st rounder would be enough.  I think anything less than 15 would get Denver to stamp a big 'ol "no thanks" on the sheet.

Trust me, I understand the potential you give up at 12.  Like Stroke, I would love that defensive mainstay that 12 COULD net.  Problem is that the odds of you nailing down a Darnell Dockett type guy aren't high.  At 12 you will most likely wind up with a GOOD player.  Marshall is out of this world GREAT.  WR is a huge need for this team.

I would hand over #12 in a heart beat.
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