Tebow ad

[Phishfan]

^^^Maybe

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

So let me get this straight......  A Christian missionary (presumably of the same faith as Tebow) advised Tebow's mom to violate Philippine law and have an abortion. 

The only person that would be gullible to fall for that crock, would also believe that the folks stealing babies from Haiti didn't know it was legal or that someone can walk on water....oh wait....it is the same gullible crowd falling for all three lines of bullshit. 

[Phishfan]

So let me get this straight......  A Christian missionary (presumably of the same faith as Tebow) advised Tebow's mom to violate Philippine law and have an abortion. 

The only person that would be gullible to fall for that crock, would also believe that the folks stealing babies from Haiti didn't know it was legal or that someone can walk on water....oh wait....it is the same gullible crowd falling for all three lines of bullshit. 

As I said purely speculation on my part and I never said Christian missionary. I was more implying a doctor that donates their services in other parts of the world, whatever you would call them.

[JVides]

The weird twist is that at the time she was in the Phillipines and told she needed to have an abortion, it was illegal. I cannot imagine a doctor telling someone to undertake an illegal procedure.

Let's take a step back here.  Who cares what the laws of the Phillipines are?  We (the USA) had naval bases over there during this time.  These bases were US property.  I'm quite certain Lady Tebow could've had her abortion in a base, had she chosen to, and not violated any laws.  Filipino law is nearly irrelevant to this conversation.

Second, there's this massive undercurrent to this thread (and the gay commercial one) about how right wingers' agendas are being bowed to while the left's agendas aren't.  The day all the blue states pass gay marriage is the day you all get to argue that only right wingers don't like gay marriage, gay dating, gay whatever.  The fact that gay marriage can't pass in a state like California is evidence enough that gay rights and issues are not just red-blue considerations.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Ms. Tebow wasn't in the military.  She wasn't living on a military base.  She wasn't a dependant of a stationed military personnel?  Why the hell would the military offer medical care in a non-life threatening situation?

[JVides]

Ms. Tebow wasn't in the military.  She wasn't living on a military base.  She wasn't a dependant of a stationed military personnel?  Why the hell would the military offer medical care in a non-life threatening situation?

1 - So an abortion recommendation based on risk to mother (as I understand was the case) is not life-threatening?

2 - Having lived abroad, I can tell you that I had some level of access to U.S. consulate people - in high school.  If the best care available was from US doctors at US bases, you don't think the consulate could help?  Might it not be available anyway?  Could US military doctors moonlight with the American community and offer base services? 

What I'm saying is:  before encarcerating Ms. Tebow on charges of either lying or breaking Filipino law, could you consider alternatives? 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

1 - So an abortion recommendation based on risk to mother (as I understand was the case) is not life-threatening?

2 - Having lived abroad, I can tell you that I had some level of access to U.S. consulate people - in high school.  If the best care available was from US doctors at US bases, you don't think the consulate could help?  Might it not be available anyway?  Could US military doctors moonlight with the American community and offer base services? 

What I'm saying is:  before encarcerating Ms. Tebow on charges of either lying or breaking Filipino law, could you consider alternatives? 

Actually there was no risk to the mother.  The only risk was the baby would be born still born or retarded. 

I seriously doubt the US policy under Ronald Reagan allowed for civilians to use military bases to skirt local government laws on abortions. 

And nobody is trying to incarcerate Tebow.  Just discredit.

[JVides]

^^^Why are you so hopped up on discrediting the woman?  You think it hard to believe that Ms. Tebow would in some way consult a US doctor who would advise her to have an abortion?  I've lived abroad; i know that for some things, you just want to talk to a U.S. professional, not a local one.  Hawaii is a short hop from the Philipines.  She wouldn't have even needed a base.  I'm just saying that your assumption that she would have never been advised to have an abortion because of Filipino law forbidding abortions is ignoring the fact that as a US citizen, she had options for having an abortion either on actual US soil or on US soil by treaty. 

Are you telling me she had no options other than not abiding by Filipino law?  You expect me to believe that?  It's not like she'd have to sail her way to the USA; they did have planes in 1987 or whatever.  I mean, it's illegal to smoke weed in (most of) the USA; doesn't mean you can't go to Amsterdam, Jamaica, wherever, and do what's legal there.

Thanks for the correction on danger to the mom.  As I said, I wasn't sure what the deal was there.

Anyway: she has her point of view; she's entitled.  Why would a story about how not aborting being a great decision be so threatening to so many of you?  Do you honestly believe it's going to turn public sentiment against your cause?  I'd argue that makes as much sense as people who think that legalization of gay marriage is going to somehow cause there to be more gays.  It's silly.

[StL FinFan]

I just want to say I had no problem whatsoever with CBS taking the money and airing this commercial even though I am pro-choice.  However, if they are going to cite freedom of speech to justify airing this one they should air the gay one also.

[bsmooth]

Let's take a step back here.  Who cares what the laws of the Phillipines are?  We (the USA) had naval bases over there during this time.  These bases were US property.  I'm quite certain Lady Tebow could've had her abortion in a base, had she chosen to, and not violated any laws.  Filipino law is nearly irrelevant to this conversation.

Second, there's this massive undercurrent to this thread (and the gay commercial one) about how right wingers' agendas are being bowed to while the left's agendas aren't.  The day all the blue states pass gay marriage is the day you all get to argue that only right wingers don't like gay marriage, gay dating, gay whatever.  The fact that gay marriage can't pass in a state like California is evidence enough that gay rights and issues are not just red-blue considerations.

Easy on the brush strokes there. I started this thread because of the hypocrisy of it. CBS should not be engaging in running political ads during the SB. I do not care which side they are on, there should be no reasn for this.
Stay on topics you know about. Unless you are a resident and voting member of California, you will not understand just everything that took place during that campaign.
The reason you are detecting such an undertow is because CBS has chosen to present one side of a contentious issue in this country, during the most widely watched single day sporting event in this country. Previous political ads were shot down under the guise of "we have enought ad revenue that we do not need your money", which is bullshit as they could have found someone to fill this slot if they needed too. This ad was not a make or break situation for CBS to profit from the SB. SO by allowing this, they have appeared to have staked out a position on this political issue and people from the other side of the issue are not happy.

[Phishfan]

Well this turned out to be very uneventful. Not very political at all. Sfter seeing the ad did anyone think they may have overreacted originally?

[MaineDolFan]

My wife didn't hear any of the uproar or conversation about this ad.  I specifically kept quiet and waited for the ad to air and then ten minutes later asked her about it.  She didn't even remember seeing the ad, it was that nondescript.  A very big no news type event.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

My problem was never as much with the ad as much as accepting this one and NOT accepting the gay ad. 

[CF DolFan]

Has anyone heard they are now catching slack from female activists that are upset Tebow tackled his mother? I'm guessing next they go after Betty White!!

[Dave Gray]

Well this turned out to be very uneventful. Not very political at all. Sfter seeing the ad did anyone think they may have overreacted originally?

In my group, I was unable to hear the ad.  A lot of people don't like Tebow as a player, so they were booing at him.  Another part was people (all girls) who left the room and said something about not supporting it or something.  I couldn't even really tell what she was saying.