Incognito threads

[JVides]

Put me in the "no thanks" category.

[Defense54]

Incognito got kicked off the worst team in the league.  If that does not speak volumes about his character, or lack thereof, I don't know what does.  He is a punk.  He fought with his coaches, his team, and his fans.  He will not change.  You guys are nuts.

No.....that means that Team has so many other needs to address they cleaned house.  The COLTS want him as well if that means anything to ya all. 

What was that?  That was Peyton Manning saying..........HELL YEAH! 

[StL FinFan]

Spin his release however you want.  I live here amongst Rams fans and the St. Louis media.  The Colts can have him.  He alienates everyone around him.  He blamed the fans for the poor performance of the team.  He picked fights with people in the stands when they booed him after that.  Rams fans were not sorry to see him go.  Once he starts being penalized for piling on, late hits and head butting, fans of his new team will hate him too.

[ethurst22a]

Does this make sense?

You've already invested 150 million dollars into your offensive line, which to me is the strength of the team which was shown when offensive linemen starting getting hurt. The Dolphins O-line didn't miss a beat. Carey picked up his game at the end of the year and Joe Berger (center) was a pleasant surprise when Grove got hurt.

The only reason I can see Miami coming after Incognito is that he comes cheap.

If Incognito is a head case which is well documented, why can't we go after Brandon Marshall? I would make that move in a heartbeat even if it takes trading down out of the first round. Marshall is just 25 years old.

Marshall's crime in Denver was being at the wrong place at the wrong time. From what I hear by those who have personally had interactions with him, he is a nice guy but freaked out over the Williams incident.

The last time I looked, Brandon Marshall hasn't gone into the stands to beat fans up. Incognito has. Marshall has not played dirty. Incognito has. Incognito attacked Rams management and fans verbally (ala Joey Porter). Everyone in Denver knows that Josh McDaniels is a clown and handled his players wrong (Tony Scheffler, Eddie Royal and Peyton Hillis) and picked Marshall as a scapegoat.

Yet, when it came down to the last option, Marshall won games for them last year and set an NFL record in a game with receptions. Simply put...McDaniels was an idiot with the way he handled players and assistants (Mike Nolan).

This character trip that the Dolphins are on is just bogus. They are a step behind the Jets and New England gets to reload this year. There is no way that Miami will go to the playoffs with that receiving squad they have unless they know something about Patrick Turner or Mark Duper or Mark Clayton find the fountain of youth and suit up.

Our offense would have worked in the 1980's and early 1990's. You have to have quick strike capability and we don't have it from the receiving corps.  Think about it. Brian Hartline is the only vertical threat that we have and that's because he can run patterns and can get away from people. And lets not talk about Ted Ginn Jr.

You make the deal for Marshall and lock him up for three years, get someone on the other side of him and now, you've got the potential to have a one play scoring drive and can strike from anywhere on the field.

If the Jets, which is reported, swing a deal for Marshall, pencil them in for the AFC Championship. We'll see Marshall alright...running past Dolphin defensive backs into the end zone.

[Tenshot13]

Incognito is probably the coolest name in the NFL, but no, I do not want him on this team.

Does this make sense?

You've already invested 150 million dollars into your offensive line, which to me is the strength of the team which was shown when offensive linemen starting getting hurt. The Dolphins O-line didn't miss a beat. Carey picked up his game at the end of the year and Joe Berger (center) was a pleasant surprise when Grove got hurt.

The only reason I can see Miami coming after Incognito is that he comes cheap.

If Incognito is a head case which is well documented, why can't we go after Brandon Marshall? I would make that move in a heartbeat even if it takes trading down out of the first round. Marshall is just 25 years old.

Marshall's crime in Denver was being at the wrong place at the wrong time. From what I hear by those who have personally had interactions with him, he is a nice guy but freaked out over the Williams incident.

The last time I looked, Brandon Marshall hasn't gone into the stands to beat fans up. Incognito has. Marshall has not played dirty. Incognito has. Incognito attacked Rams management and fans verbally (ala Joey Porter). Everyone in Denver knows that Josh McDaniels is a clown and handled his players wrong (Tony Scheffler, Eddie Royal and Peyton Hillis) and picked Marshall as a scapegoat.

Yet, when it came down to the last option, Marshall won games for them last year and set an NFL record in a game with receptions. Simply put...McDaniels was an idiot with the way he handled players and assistants (Mike Nolan).

This character trip that the Dolphins are on is just bogus. They are a step behind the Jets and New England gets to reload this year. There is no way that Miami will go to the playoffs with that receiving squad they have unless they know something about Patrick Turner or Mark Duper or Mark Clayton find the fountain of youth and suit up.

Our offense would have worked in the 1980's and early 1990's. You have to have quick strike capability and we don't have it from the receiving corps.  Think about it. Brian Hartline is the only vertical threat that we have and that's because he can run patterns and can get away from people. And lets not talk about Ted Ginn Jr.

You make the deal for Marshall and lock him up for three years, get someone on the other side of him and now, you've got the potential to have a one play scoring drive and can strike from anywhere on the field.

If the Jets, which is reported, swing a deal for Marshall, pencil them in for the AFC Championship. We'll see Marshall alright...running past Dolphin defensive backs into the end zone.

I mentioned this in another thread, but I'll give you some reasons why we don't trade for Brandon Marshall.

*This is widely considered the deepest draft ever, due to the possibility of a rookie wage scale after this year, thus a number of underclassmen making themselves eligible for the draft.  We want as many draft picks as we can get.  Next year's draft class is supposed to be very weak, so that when we go after free agents.

*Next year's free agent class is widely considered the best ever, due to all the restricted free agents becoming unrestricted free agents next year.  I'm sure there will be multiple superstar WR's in that class, if we haven't figured out our WR position by then.

We still have some glaring holes that, believe it or not, are more important than a WR.  Although Marshall is an exceptional WR, and probably considered in the top 3, playmaking WR's are a dime-a-dozen, and are almost as bad as RBs when it comes to the revolving door.  We need long term answers to the NT, OLB, and FS positions before worrying about WR.  I wouldn't be upset trading a 2nd round pick for Marshall, but I wouldn't be all for it either, but it looks like anything less than a 1st rounder is a no-go.

[Defense54]

Spin his release however you want. 

Not spinning anything. Cold hard FACTS:

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-dolphins-incognito-visit-0315-20100314,0,398645.story?track=rss

The Cincinnati Bengals and Indianapolis Colts also are after the controversial offensive guard,

I just choose to interpret them differently. 

[StL FinFan]

No.....that means that Team has so many other needs to address they cleaned house.  The COLTS want him as well if that means anything to ya all. 

What was that?  That was Peyton Manning saying..........HELL YEAH! 

Did you read the article that you posted a link to?  Emphasis mine.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-dolphins-incognito-visit-0315-20100314,0,398645.story?track=rss

"Fined nearly six figures for various on-field incidents so far in his brief NFL career, Incognito is a former third-round draft pick of the St. Louis Rams. He has made 47 career NFL starts, including three to close out last season in Buffalo, but the Rams dismissed him after he had a run-in with coach Steve Spagnuolo during a Dec. 13 game against the Titans.

Incognito received a pair of personal foul penalties in that game, both for head-butting an opponent. He was fined $50,000 by the league and threatened with a possible suspension."

That supports what I said earlier, they kicked him off the team because he is a punk, not that they were housecleaning as you said.

[Defense54]

 

That supports what I said earlier, they kicked him off the team because he is a punk, not that they were housecleaning as you said.

Thats exactly what they said about Randy Moss........

The Colts are just a few parts away from a championship team. They have one of the BEST offenses in the NFL.  Why would they mess with such a cancer? because he starts every game and works his ass off. Just needs to work on the off button. MUCH harder to work on the ON button.  If he can be had cheap, his upside way out weighs the down. Gives us depth, and attitude. Something you can't have enough of in my book. The Rams were the worst team in the NFL. Guys like him get pissed loss after loss. They take it personal when getting Booed day in and day out. Last year was a big wake up call. The man is having dinner with coach and hopefully can work it out. thats my opinion and I'm sticking with it.

(plus I really really want a jersey that says Incognito)

 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Anybody who is claiming the Colts are looking at him are talking out of their ass.  After being cut by the Rams he was grabbed off waivers.  He is now a Bills UFA. And even though the Bills have made no effort to resign him, the Colts can't sign him unless they lose an UFA. 

As for the Moss comparision.

A few things people forget about Moss was he was an outstanding player for the Vikings, then he got into a toxic environment and became a problem child.  While the Rams aren't a winning team they are not the toxic situation of the black hole.  Incongnito has never shown any willingness to behave. 

Also the Dolphin's aren't the 2007 NEP.  The captain of the NE offense is a three time superbowl winning QB.  At the start of the 2007 camp several players could look Moss in the eye and say, "we know what it takes to be a championship team and I have three rings to prove it.  You are part of a team.  Do your part and behave"  Who fuck can say that to Incongito on the Dolphin's roster?   Do the Dolphins even have a player who has been to the superbowl?    Chad Henne is not Tom Brady.  And while Sparono is a decent coach, he hasn't earned the respect Belichick has earned. 

[Defense54]

Anybody who is claiming the Colts are looking at him are talking out of their ass.  After being cut by the Rams he was grabbed off waivers.  He is now a Bills UFA. And even though the Bills have made no effort to resign him, the Colts can't sign him unless they lose an UFA. 

As for the Moss comparision.

A few things people forget about Moss was he was an outstanding player for the Vikings, then he got into a toxic environment and became a problem child.  While the Rams aren't a winning team they are not the toxic situation of the black hole.  Incongnito has never shown any willingness to behave. 

Also the Dolphin's aren't the 2007 NEP.  The captain of the NE offense is a three time superbowl winning QB.  At the start of the 2007 camp several players could look Moss in the eye and say, "we know what it takes to be a championship team and I have three rings to prove it.  You are part of a team.  Do your part and behave"  Who fuck can say that to Incongito on the Dolphin's roster?   Do the Dolphins even have a player who has been to the superbowl?    Chad Henne is not Tom Brady.  And while Sparono is a decent coach, he hasn't earned the respect Belichick has earned. 

Oh my !   Is that the way they speak on the Pats forums ?  No wonder you spend no time there.  I didn't know you needed 3 rings to motivate players. I can just see all the NE fans getting "wicked' drunk in bars in Bastun spinning these great stories about how they motivate each other.  What a sack of Bullshit.

Earned respect?  Parcells Shits more respect then belichick has. 4th down lets go for it ..... I don't know ANY members of the Dolphins who got caught cheating recently.

That all said........Incognito does not need motivation. If you have any reading comphrension skills you will see he needs some one to teach him how to Shut it down, not start it up.   

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I don't know ANY members of the Dolphins who got caught cheating recently.

You have a short memory.....you have a nose tackle that has an 8 game suspension for cheating. 

That all said........Incognito does not need motivation. If you have any reading comphrension skills you will see he needs some one to teach him how to Shut it down, not start it up.   

Motivation no.  But if you think Chad Henne has status to tell Incongitute to behave your are dillusional.  Brady on the other hand does have the status to tell Moss that.  Plus Moss was no way near as much of a problem child as this idiot. 

I hope the Dolphins sign him, although my first choice would be the Jets.   

[Defense54]

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You have a short memory.....you have a nose tackle that has an 8 game suspension for cheating. 

Your confused between breaking the rules and CHEATING.
Hardly the same as a TEAM WIDE losing of a draft pick and a personal fine of $250,000 for the Head coach for cheating.

Motivation no.  But if you think Chad Henne has status to tell Incongitute to behave your are delusional.  Brady on the other hand does have the status to tell Moss that.

  Who said anything about Henne doing anything?  Status? Is Brady the one that said go for it on 4th ? last time I checked the coaches motivate and discipline the players.

Plus Moss was no way near as much of a problem child as this idiot. 

Your right......incognito doesn't run people over .

I hope the Dolphins sign him, although my first choice would be the Jets.

I hope you get your wish......see ya on the way down.   
 

[Defense54]

Just to let you know I'm not totally one sided on the matter i did read this really good point in another forum:

And if officials see an altercation in which Incognito is involved, with his reputation, how would you expect them to react?

Even if he did clean it up , he would have to eat shit for a while before he got any penalties to go his way. I still think if he could be had for a bargain , we should do it. If the penalties start coming, he gets benched. But imagine if he starts keeping it together?  Oline talent like that is hard to find. I think Long and Incognito would make a nice set of book ends. 

[Sunstroke]

I don't have any problem with having a bit of dirty player attitude on an O-line...you want at least some of that. That said, I don't want to throw an incognito bandaid at the position, I want to draft a young side of beef and teach him how to be barbecue (the best a side of beef can hope for).

[Defense54]

I don't have any problem with having a bit of dirty player attitude on an O-line...you want at least some of that. That said, I don't want to throw an incognito bandaid at the position, I want to draft a young side of beef and teach him how to be barbecue (the best a side of beef can hope for).

Absolutely agree. But......I figure we have only so many draft picks , and so many other pressing Needs. We addressed the Oline in the draft pretty heavily the past few drafts. I'd like to see an Anchor Nose Tackle , and a Stud reciever , some more depth at Safty and someone to challenge the shit out of lazy Crowder. An experienced Lineman who can play several posistions, at a cheap price because of past Transgressions that are a Parcells speciality to fix.......I'd say go for it! Dinner came and went with Coach, He worked out  today, Lets hope he kicked the shit out of some pads.