If you voted for Obama, do you support ...

[bsfins]

As Someone who is probably on his way to bankruptcy from medical bills,and I don't have any insurance.I figure if I got in a car accident,and was hurt, it would be cheaper to put a bullet in my head than repair me......I don't care how it's passed,just pass something. There is so much money being thrown against this passing.and so many B.S. excuses on why not to pass it,it's not even funny....It's like anything else in this country,We all want Clean water,So a bill that Actually does something is drawn up.The problem is it costs some company money, profits,the bill is pigion holed to death,that by the time it's passed,it's merely recommendations,and they don't take effect for 10 years.... So nothing gets done....Sorry for my little rant....I would like to see people in Congress,actually do something,make a stand pass something,rather than worry about constantly being reelected....

I hope it....
Cut's B.S. administrative costs,takes care of malpractice insurance,does something to companies to lower the cost of prescriptions...IMO it's not fair,to give drugs for free to 3rd world countries,then charge us in the U.S. 2--3 times more....So they can still make a profit.....

Being poor,It's not Living it's Surviving....

[Phishfan]

Being poor,It's not Living it's Surviving....

That is deep stuff.

[Dave Gray]

How about Clinics set up for them through the goverment . Only Emergency services would be handled through a local hospital and even then , once treated have the bill sent to the Feds.  Keep the costs of the private Hospitals down for those that pay for them.

That would be great, if illegals paid the bills.  But they probably don't have the money for that.

I don't feel that there should be anything to dissuade illegals to do things like: a) send their kids to school or b) get medical attention when needed or c) report crimes.  These things are important to society as a whole, and it doesn't do any good for us to have sick people, uneducated kids, or criminals that know there's a community that the police don't protect.

I don't support open immigration by any means, but I think that it's still important that these services are still available.

I'll use another example:

Some immigrant Haitians here do not get licenses from the DMV.  They get fake ones made up or somehow skirt the system or just drive without them.  I don't want to "reward" illegals with government issued licenses, but at the same time, they're driving anyway, only they aren't learning the proper rules of the road and it's dangerous and costly for the rest of the population.

The way I see it is that these other countries are so shitty that it doesn't matter what we do to make America less enticing -- it's still going to be better than where they came from.  Therefore, trying to punish illegals be not offering services doesn't really help anything.

I don't have a solution.  I think you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

[Defense54]

As Someone who is probably on his way to bankruptcy from medical bills,and I don't have any insurance.I figure if I got in a car accident,and was hurt, it would be cheaper to put a bullet in my head than repair me......I don't care how it's passed,just pass something. There is so much money being thrown against this passing.and so many B.S. excuses on why not to pass it,it's not even funny....It's like anything else in this country,We all want Clean water,So a bill that Actually does something is drawn up.The problem is it costs some company money, profits,the bill is pigion holed to death,that by the time it's passed,it's merely recommendations,and they don't take effect for 10 years.... So nothing gets done....Sorry for my little rant....I would like to see people in Congress,actually do something,make a stand pass something,rather than worry about constantly being reelected....

I hope it....
Cut's B.S. administrative costs,takes care of malpractice insurance,does something to companies to lower the cost of prescriptions...IMO it's not fair,to give drugs for free to 3rd world countries,then charge us in the U.S. 2--3 times more....So they can still make a profit.....

Being poor,It's not Living it's Surviving....

I absolutely sympathize with you.  You are an American citizen and disabled . No problem to help you and others in the same boat.  But if you have 2 good arms and Legs.....not just 5 kids, you should be forced to pay your own.

[Defense54]

That would be great, if illegals paid the bills.  But they probably don't have the money for that.   

Bullshit they don't. Go to the post office on a friday afternoon. The line is around the block for Postal Money orders sent to Mexico. Pull a drunk obe over and they have hundreds$$$ in their pockets because because you can't go to a bank wihout a Social security card.  They need a way to make them pay if they stay. And that does not mean make them legal.

[Dave Gray]

Bullshit they don't. Go to the post office on a friday afternoon. The line is around the block for Postal Money orders sent to Mexico. Pull a drunk obe over and they have hundreds$$$ in their pockets because because you can't go to a bank wihout a Social security card.  They need a way to make them pay if they stay. And that does not mean make them legal.

They have hundreds in their pocket, because they don't have a bank.  Exactly.  They have a few hundred bucks to their name, probably.

I'm all for trying to make them pay, but I doubt you'll see much money from it.

[bsfins]

I absolutely sympathize with you.  You are an American citizen and disabled . No problem to help you and others in the same boat.  But if you have 2 good arms and Legs.....not just 5 kids, you should be forced to pay your own.

That and $1 might get a cup of Coffee....you're full of shit...Force me to pay? with what the hair lint from my navel? You force me to pay, I'm homeless,and a whole different set of problems....I had $1.50 to my name since Tuesday,till this morning.....That makes alot sense ,it's called working poor, my mom makes little more than enough to pay for her health insurance...

[Spider-Dan]

I find the entirety of the healthcare legislation process to be obscene, and a bright shining example of why our system (and, fundamentally, our society as it relates to politics) is broken.

Particularly, I am incensed at how the media simply refuses to do its job (reporting), and instead prefers to try to generate he-said-she-said ratings, where every story has two equally-valid opposite positions, and facts don't matter.  They allow Republicans to come on the air and declare that:

- position themselves as sincere defenders of Medicare, when dismantling Medicare has been a primary tenet of the GOP platform for the last 40 years
- declare that reconciliation is an extremist "nuclear option" prcess, when these same congressmen were happy to use it at will during the Bush years
- insist that "deem and pass" is an unprecedented, unconstitutional attack on our system of democracy, when Gingrich and co. set records for the frequency of its usage

This sh*t is simply absurd.  The GOP isn't even making honest arguments anymore; they are screaming for deficit reduction at the same time they are insisting that taxes be cut "across the board."  They are simply throwing whatever they can against the wall to see what sticks, and the media is not even attempting to hold them accountable for their past positions.  For the last year, the GOP party platform has literally been "whatever Obama is for, we're against that."  It's pathetic and I cannot believe that the Democrats are not hammering them with their own hypocrisy around-the-clock.

[Buddhagirl]

While I'm probably in a better position financially that Lil B, the last 2 years of my life have been spent dealing with the ramifications of getting sick. I have coverage - if you recall, my insurance company booted me out of the hospital while I was still at risk to have a stroke - but they denied a bunch of stuff and it just wasn't great coverage. I've dropped thousands of dollars paying off these bills and keeping myself healthy. Just the other day my insurance company denied another procedure that was done. I have to pay out of pocket for that, too.

I'd like to shop around for insurance, but I'm pretty sure that I will be denied coverage if I do that. So, I'm stuck with crap insurance that I'm paying through the nose for.

So, in a nutshell I don't give a shit how it's passed. I do know we have to do something. Healthcare is a basic human right. Period. Only greedy fucks want to make sure that no one else gets the same care they get. See:  The entire GOP.

Also, I agree with Spider Dan. The media is doing a horrible job reporting the facts. There's a lot of misinformation being thrown around right now and it's pathetic.

[Defense54]

They have hundreds in their pocket, because they don't have a bank.  Exactly.  They have a few hundred bucks to their name, probably.

I'm all for trying to make them pay, but I doubt you'll see much money from it.

I've seen as much as $6000 Cash on them. Puts Law enforcement in a tough spot because I personally know of one cop who got busted for stealing from them. Hispanic as well, he was very slick until they sent a Mexican out with a wire and $2500. I would be all for putting the money away in a fund that helps pay for health care for the poor and homeless. Give them 90 days to prove where they made themoney or its forfeited. If they do somehow prove it, take out the appropiate Taxes and fine the employer.
Cut thos shit out real quick.

[Defense54]

That and $1 might get a cup of Coffee....you're full of shit...Force me to pay? with what the hair lint from my navel? You force me to pay, I'm homeless,and a whole different set of problems....I had $1.50 to my name since Tuesday,till this morning.....That makes alot sense ,it's called working poor, my mom makes little more than enough to pay for her health insurance...

I think you took me wrong. I am on your side. Disabled Americans should get free health care. Its the illegals and those that believe having 5 children makes them exempt from working. Getting in a severe Car accident is a completly different story.

[bsfins]

I'm not disabled...I feel like it right now...

[Defense54]

I'm not disabled...I feel like it right now...

Again........I know nothing about you so I feel everytime I udder a word I could be saying the wrong thing. I'm sorry you do not feel well. I hope you get all the help you need.

[Defense54]

While I'm probably in a better position financially that Lil B, the last 2 years of my life have been spent dealing with the ramifications of getting sick. I have coverage - if you recall, my insurance company booted me out of the hospital while I was still at risk to have a stroke - but they denied a bunch of stuff and it just wasn't great coverage. I've dropped thousands of dollars paying off these bills and keeping myself healthy. Just the other day my insurance company denied another procedure that was done. I have to pay out of pocket for that, too.

I'd like to shop around for insurance, but I'm pretty sure that I will be denied coverage if I do that. So, I'm stuck with crap insurance that I'm paying through the nose for.

So, in a nutshell I don't give a shit how it's passed. I do know we have to do something. Healthcare is a basic human right. Period. Only greedy fucks want to make sure that no one else gets the same care they get. See:  The entire GOP.

Also, I agree with Spider Dan. The media is doing a horrible job reporting the facts. There's a lot of misinformation being thrown around right now and it's pathetic.

I'm sorry for your situation.....but you are a bit bias to answer this question fairly.  You don't give a fuck? I'm sorry. I broke my ass to get my Job and my current benifits . I DO GIVE a fuck. I'm all for helping others but not at my expense. I worked 80 jrs last week and another 60 this week. I'm leaving for the Midnight shift in just 2 hours. Once you realize your not the only person in your little world maybe some sense will kick in.

[bsfins]

I just wanted to clarify,because in your one statement, you said you're an American,and disabled.... My boss is changing his stance on healthcare, after seeing the bills coming in from my 3 knees surgeries/procedures this year,which he's paying out of pocket,as her refers to it as the price of doing business....