Brandon Marshall Traded to Dolphins

[Brian Fein]

Edit:  I say keep him.  Let him team up with Marshall.  See what happens.

I agree.  Maybe Marshall can teach this kid a little something.  Think about it, when has Ginn ever had a veteran to learn from, aside from 3 weeks with Chris Chambers?  I hope they don't deal away Ginn.

[Spider-Dan]

It's hard to refer to Marshall as "a veteran Ginn can learn from" when Marshall will be in his 5th year and Ginn will be in his 4th.  Ginn is a veteran at this point.

[Brian Fein]

It's hard to refer to Marshall as "a veteran Ginn can learn from" when Marshall will be in his 5th year and Ginn will be in his 4th.  Ginn is a veteran at this point.

Agree, he is, but it seems like he never got off the ground, which is why everyone expects more from him at this point.  He was asked to be a leader, and he never got the chance to learn.

[bsmooth]

Lets hope his diva/drama days are behind him now. For two 2nds and 50 million he better perform like one of the Marks brothers.

[Philly Fin Fan]

My first thought when I heard the Dolphin's traded for him was, "wow the Dolphins made a great pickup."  After seeing what they gave up in terms of picks and how much they are paying for him I am not nearly impressed. 

While Marshall is better than Santonio Holmes, I would be more willing to give up a 5th for Holmes than 2 - 2nds for Marshall.  Also I don't think Marshall should be the highest paid reciever in the league.  The salary cap will be coming back.  And Holmes isn't exactly a poster child for being a team player and Mia seems to have gotten no discount for that.

I say Denver came out ahead in this trade by a lot. 



 

The Jets gave up less for Holmes- but take a look at it : the Jets basically traded that pick for the rights to have Holmes for 8 games, and the right to negotiate with him during the year. I'm sure the trade for Marshall was contingent on him signing the extension the Fins gave him.

Plus- look at what the Fins management has done with second round picks- They've had 4. One seems to be a bust (White), two seems to be good picks/ starters (Henne and Sean Smith), and one is a backup who may pan out to be better, or may not (Phillip Merling). So with a 50% success ratio on second round picks, why not deal them for a proven WR?

[JVides]

I say Denver came out ahead in this trade by a lot. 

There are four, and only four, "holy crap he's terrifying" young wideouts in the league right now:

Andre Johnson
Brandon Marshall
Larry Fitzgerald
Calvin Johnson (projecting here as he enters his fourth season)

Miami got one of 'em for a John Beck and a Pat White.  Yeah, I'm OK with this.  Marshall's guaranteed performace for the next 5 years.  Denver has to pray they draft correctly.  If they hit on both # 2s, then maybe they come out ahead.  but they'll have to hit big.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

The Jets gave up less for Holmes- but take a look at it : the Jets basically traded that pick for the rights to have Holmes for 8 games, and the right to negotiate with him during the year. I'm sure the trade for Marshall was contingent on him signing the extension the Fins gave him.

I don't see having problem children on a multiyear deal as plus.  Almost every player preforms better in the year leading up to a contract and then slacks off after he has the multiyear deal with a gazillion in guaranteed money. 

Holmes is playing to stay in the league and his next pay check, Marshall doesn't need to do squat for the next four years. 

[Diehard_Dolfan]

I don't see having problem children on a multiyear deal as plus.  Almost every player preforms better in the year leading up to a contract and then slacks off after he has the multiyear deal with a gazillion in guaranteed money. 

Holmes is playing to stay in the league and his next pay check, Marshall doesn't need to do squat for the next four years. 

The point everyone seems to keep missing is, he still went out and produced even though he was at odds with the team.  With all his problems in Denver last yr he still had 101 catches and 10 TD's...   He still went out and played his ass off he didn't cause problems and not produce on the field or disappear like a T.O. does at times.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

The point everyone seems to keep missing is, he still went out and produced even though he was at odds with the team.  With all his problems in Denver last yr he still had 101 catches and 10 TD's...   He still went out and played his ass off he didn't cause problems and not produce on the field or disappear like a T.O. does at times.

It was a contract year. 

[Diehard_Dolfan]

It was a contract year. 

Ok! last yr was a contract yr he still produced the yrs before that!  He has caught 100+ passes 3 yrs running. If the Jets or Patriots had signed him you guys would be acting like you just won the Super Bowl But since Miami got him all you wanna do is try and tear him down

I remember Randy Moss being a head case and problem child but the Patriots sure were glad they got him!

[Sunstroke]

Almost every player preforms better in the year leading up to a contract and then slacks off after he has the multiyear deal with a gazillion in guaranteed money. 

Since you're talking about "almost every player," I'm sure it wouldn't be hard for you to provide some adequate support for what I see as a ridiculous statement... Maybe you could start with "almost every" Patriots player that falls into this group, as you're more familiar with that roster.

[StL FinFan]

Ok! last yr was a contract yr he still produced the yrs before that!  He has caught 100+ passes 3 yrs running. If the Jets or Patriots had signed him you guys would be acting like you just won the Super Bowl But since Miami got him all you wanna do is try and tear him down

I remember Randy Moss being a head case and problem child but the Patriots sure were glad they got him!

Please note you are talking to a Patriots fan and resident troll.  He is supposed to try and tear down anything the Dolphins do.  It's his role.

[ethurst22a]

I heard the news of Marshall's trade this morning at 5AM Mountain Time. I kept checking to see if the Denver Post had anything on the trade (makes sense since Denver was involved) and nothing showed up on their web-site until after 3:00PM MST.

I was in downtown Denver today and those who knew about the trade are really incensed!

I kept saying that Marshall was not a bad guy after all. A couple of incidents and the press painted him as a malcontent. I've said this before...Marshall wanted out of Denver because of the Darrent Williams incident. That bullet was intended for Marshall not because of what he'd done but his bone head cousin who escalated the incident. It messed with him a great deal which caused some erratic behavior. Everyone from Bowlen to Shanahan to Marshall was affected by what happened to Williams . No sportswriter has mentioned thatf Marshall's behavior was at
Wiiliams death. At the same time, his contract became an issue and his relationship was rocky. This could drive any man in any profession INSANE.

This is why I dislike beat writers. Many beat writers go on what they colleagues say. Players know this so they try to avoid the beat writer because that could lead to some heat between the beat writer who has to sell papers and the players. Look at what happened to Vontae Davis. There was nothing wrong with his attitude.

The Dolphins HAD to make this move and many of the local sport writers are prejudging Marshall and he's not in South Florida yet.

I hope that he proves everybody wrong that says he is a trouble maker. Teammates liked him but the new regime didn't. McDaniels is not going to last long in Denver running players off. I hope Parcells consistently challenges Marshall to be a leader.

Christmas has come early for the Miami Dolphins.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I remember Randy Moss being a head case and problem child but the Patriots sure were glad they got him!

This is also a response to Sunstroke.

2007 Moss had a one year deal.  Broke Rice's record.  Went to the pro-bowl. 

Signed a multiyear deal.  2008 and 2009 he caught appx. the same number of TD over a two year span as he had in one year.  And while he didn't come close to returning to his Oakland ways there have been news of him not working as hard in 2008 or 2009 as he did in 2007. 

Patriots took a risk on Randy Moss.  One that paid off well. 

But the risk only included a single 4th round draft pick and a one year contract. 

The Jets are taking a risk on Holmes.  But it too is only a one year deal at the cost of a 5th round pick.  We don't know how it will turn out, but if it blows up it will only hurt them for one year.

The Dolphins are taking a risk with Incongnito.  But it is a one year risk.  If it blows up it will only hurt the Dolphins for one year.

The Dolphins are taking a huge risk with Marshall, b/c if it doesn't work out it cost them 2 - 2nd round draft picks and will affect the salary cap until 2013. 

I would have been happy with Marshall on the Patriots...but not at this price tag.  The Dolphin's overpaid.  



 

[Sunstroke]

^^^As far as responses go, noting a couple of isolated instances as support for your "almost every player" blanket isn't really much support at all.