Ted ginn gone!!

[Doc-phin]

Philly,

I am absolutely saying Ginn plays a different kind of game!  He is a speedy-small bodied receiver that is supposed to be used to stretch the field.  At what point do you feel we had a system in place to utilise his down field attributes?  (Again) Henne, year two, would have easily been the best fit for a receiver like Ginn since we drafted him.

I definitely give credit to Hartline for a great first year with better than expected YAC yards, but look at the yards per catch and it is obvious how the other players were being used. 

Marshall is really more of a YAC receiver than a burner, so why wouldn't he do well with a short game player like Orton?  Not to mention that nobody has any business comparing any of our receivers to Marshall and his ability.

Lastly, I would never look for a speed/deep threat receiver to have as many passes thrown his way as a possession receiver even in an attacking pass first offense.  Therefore, I really couldn't care less about Ginn's number of catches in comparison to the other guys.

Somebody also mentioned Calvin Johnson...  Calvin Johnson is another big bodied receiver in the fashion of Brandon Marshall and not a pure burner type like Ginn.  But more importantly for arguing my point is that he is on a pass first, run second team.  We have been run first oriented for quite a while now.

[Philly Fin Fan]

It's all a moot point now anyway Doc.

He's gone. Not on the team I cheer for anymore. I can stop making excuses for him. I could care less about him now.

[Tenshot13]

Somebody also mentioned Calvin Johnson...  Calvin Johnson is another big bodied receiver in the fashion of Brandon Marshall and not a pure burner type like Ginn. 

I just want to point out, Calvin Johnson is a burner as well as a big bodied wr.  He runs a 4.35 forty.

[dolfan13]

uh, ted ginn can't catch. as an nfl receiver, he is pretty useless, because he drops a lot of balls. the guys that are slower than him, as receivers, are better because they actually catch the ball.

[Spider-Dan]

Do you understand what "game changing" means?  I don't think you do. That first clip was some of his highlights from the Bills game, where he did have a great game, but did any of them change the game?

Ginn's TD against Revis was legitimately game-changing.  I'm convinced that it was Ginn's deep threat that allowed MIA to run the ball down the Jets' throat on the final drive.

Keep in mind that that was Henne's first real deep strike in the NFL.  Before that, they had no reason not to "cheat up" and focus entirely on short-game, just as if Noodles were in.

And I do think that Ginn served an important function that now seems to be missing.  Whether he can catch or not, every team had to at least respect the deep strike.  This is a direct and major benefit to a run-first team; we all remember the "Ricky left, Ricky right, Ricky up the middle" days where teams would have 9 in the box on every play.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

uh, ted ginn can't catch. as an nfl receiver, he is pretty useless, because he drops a lot of balls. the guys that are slower than him, as receivers, are better because they actually catch the ball.

He might make a good DB.  He is fast and and is good at getting to the ball and knocking it to the ground.  Attributes better suited for defense than offense. 

[fyo]

I like Ginn, don't think a 5th rounder was enough value -- even if you consider Ginn solely a KR.

However, he got a serious case of the dropsies last year and that's what cost him. Sure, it's never ideal to get a new quarterback, but the level of play from Ginn just wasn't acceptable.

To become a good receiver, Ginn needs to do two things:

1) Catch the ball.
2) Get off the line.

No, taking big hits is not necessary, but being able to take Ginn out of the game complete by jamming him at the line is a problem that needs to be solved for him to be effective. All the speed in the world isn't going to do you any good if you never get more than 5 yards.

[Sunstroke]

He might make a good DB.  He is fast and and is good at getting to the ball and knocking it to the ground.  Attributes better suited for defense than offense.

Yeah, but two other attributes usually found in good defensive players are "ball skills" and "willingness to make contact with another human being instead of running out of bounds."

Ginn would suck mightily on defense...

Ginn's place in the league is as a full time return man who occasionally plays WR in overload and hail mary formations. Expecting him to excel in any other role going forward would require ignoring everything he's done to this point since coming into the league.

[Dave Gray]

I don't think that Ginn would make a good defensive player.  He doesn't seem to have a nose for the ball or the aggressiveness for the position.

It's a completely different skill-set to play receiver as it does to play DB.

[doctord56]

I don't think that Ginn would make a good defensive player.  He doesn't seem to have a nose for the ball or the aggressiveness for the position.

It's a completely different skill-set to play receiver as it does to play DB.

Interestingly, Ted Ginn Jr. was a great defensive player in high school, as per his bio:

"Ginn played for his father, Ted Ginn, Sr., in high school at Glenville High School in Cleveland, Ohio, where he played Defensive back and receiver. Ginn Jr was selected as the 2004 USA Today Defensive Player of the Year, a 2004 Parade All-American, and named the 2004 SuperPrep National Defensive Player of the Year. He also participated in the U.S. Army All-American Bowl as a member of the East team, along with former Dolphins teammates Ryan Baker and Chad Henne,[1] and was named the Most Valuable Player of the game.

Ginn intercepted eight passes as a senior, returning five of them for touchdowns. One of his interception returns went for a state-record 102-yard touchdown, while another went for a 98-yard score."


I'm glad he's gone. It was frustrating in that he showed his potential a few times, but mostly he was a huge disappointment.  Maybe he'll do better in SF, but I doubt we'll look back on this trade with any regrets in the future.

[Defense54]

Hah....Stroke just can't get away from this guy.

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He is exactly who I thought of when I heard about the trade. Laughed for a good minute.......so glad to finally put the Cam Cameron era firmly behind us. 

[dolphins4life]

Which team do you like more, Stroke?  The fish or the niners?

Who did you root for when the dolphins played them in Dec of 2008? 

[tits muldoon]

WTF!!!  a  back-up t.e. or extra lineman great trade he has about as much upside as jaon allen (good spec. teams )!!  sleepy @ his family suck donkey dick!!B marshall was a 4th rounder at one time too.

[dolphinfamily]

I Would have like to see what he could have done as the second or third receiver behind Marshal. A 5th round pick is the best we can do? Does Ireland jump at the first offer he gets? The 49ers where i serious need of a return guy and all it cost them is a 5. Hey Ireland how about playing hard to get once in awhile.

[Phishfan]

I can't believe people still feel Ginn was worth more. I'm surprised we had anyone offer anythiong at all. Just another example of how at home GMs tend to overvalue the price of a player in draft picks. If I ran a team I wouldn't give up more than a hot dog and maybe some nachos for Ginn.