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MikeO
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« on: October 18, 2010, 10:29:41 pm »

Adam Schefter is reporting Bill has packed up his office, moved everything out of the Dolphins complex and has left the organization.

I'm sure Ross and Ireland will spin this somehow tomorrow as its no big deal and we knew this was coming. But he is offically gone now.
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« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2010, 10:37:27 pm »

bye.

he probably got mad that they cut Bobby Carpenter and took his ball and went home.
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2010, 10:41:59 pm »

we all knew he was leaving. And this isn't earth shattering news. But couldn't he have waited till AFTER the season before this went public? Now its just another mid-week distraction that the coaches and players will be asked about all week.

What rush is he in? He's gettin paid.He already left day to day operations, was there such a rush to empty out the office? I don't get it. But whatever.
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« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2010, 10:54:42 pm »

Parcells has a long history of leaving organizations when it suits him.
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« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2010, 11:36:11 pm »

he doesn't care.  he's on his own schedule.  yet somehow he's still getting paid by Mr. Ross?
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2010, 04:26:21 am »

yet somehow he's still getting paid by Mr. Ross?

His contract stipulated that if Wayne ever sold the team, he would be free to leave and still be paid the remainder of his salary.
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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2010, 06:57:16 am »

not that I'm a fan of dan lebatard. but he had a good article on bill last week:

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/10/09/1865879/bill-parcells-avoids-the-wrath.html

somehow lost in all the shuffle, the Tuna leaves Miami and leaves behind an unfinished product.......whatever.

Gun for Hire, nothing else. last won a Super Bowl in 1991 and is lauded as the "great savior" for most teams that hire him.
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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2010, 07:55:55 am »

Truthfully I think most of us didn't expect miracles from him and never really saw him as the man in charge of the day to day. Ultimately it always came down to Sparano and Ireland. I think Wayne just wanted football decisions to go to someone else and trusted Bill in that role. Remember, he had once given that same job to Dan Marino. I doubt anyone else will pay Bill to mnake the decisions the owner should be making.   
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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2010, 08:09:17 am »

I think the Le Batard article is way off base and misses an essential point: GM's are not Head Coaches. Neither are "VPs of Football Operations" aka "Football Czars".

As for criticizing the draft picks... did Parcells even decide who to pick? That brings back he eternal fan question: What did Parcells actually DO here? What was his job? We know he had ultimate responsibility, but it seemed like all the outward functions were delegated to others. Is it really a wonder then that fans don't seem to react much when he leaves? (To me, it seems that his job was to put a structure and people in place to move the franchise forward -- time will tell if he's done that, but that part looks reasonable so far).

As for those draft picks... It seems a little early to judge most of the picks, but just for fun here's a list of the top picks since the Trifecta took over:

2008:
#1: Jake Long
#32: Philip Merling
#57: Chad Henne
#66: Kendell Langford

2009:
#25: Vontae Davis
#44: Pat White
#61: Sean Smith
#87: Patrick Turner

2010:
#28: Jared Odrick
#40: Koa Misi
#73: John Jerry

As I see it, there's ONE really bad pick in there and one "miss" (Turner). It's way too early to tell what this group will accomplish, but considering the bad drafting that's being going on in Miami for all too long, is this really a point to criticize? Hardly, IMHO.

The same could be said about bringing in Marshall? Is that really a point to criticize? Two future second round picks are about equal to a low first round pick. Are you telling me Marshall doesn't bring first round talent to the team? PROVEN talent.

Finally, the article fails miserably because it contains what all too many Le Batard articles do: His patented double talk. E.g.: He claims Parcells did a bad job while here, but also that the Dolphins are worse off for him leaving. If Parcells is doing a bad job, wouldn't we WANT him to leave? None of his claims are backed up by thorough, reasoned arguments or facts, of course.

The frustrating thing is that there are a lot of things that would be really interesting to know about Parcells' tenure in Miami, but Le Batard doesn't deal with any of them. (What did Parcells do? Who was behind the decision to bring in e.g. Marshall? To fire Bonamago? Did anyone of the Trifecta want to fire him earlier? Keep him? He alludes to a lot, but substantiates none of it.)

Perhaps most infuriating is the complete one-sidedness of article. It's basically a hatchet job on Parcells.

It's really easy to criticize the man on his way out, because you (probably) never have to deal with him again, but it's cheap. What about Wayne selling the team, despite Parcells agreeing to take the job only on condition that he didn't (with a provision in his contract that if he did, Parcells could leave but still get paid). How did Wayne selling become Parcells fault? Even Wayne is an easy mark, since he's not the owner anymore, but what about the guy who is? He's not even mentioned even though there are certainly aspects of his involvement that are critical to the story.

Yeah, sorry, I'll stop ranting now... I don't actually dislike Le Batards articles more than those of other reports in general, but this one sucked.
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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2010, 10:05:53 am »

I guess it all depends upon what your expectations are/were for Parcells.  If you expected Parcells to deliver a Super Bowl to the Dolphins then I guess yes he did leave before doing that, but your expectations were WAY higher than what I expected of Parcells when he came here.  What I expected him to do was right the ship, not sail the ship into the dock and I think he's accomplished that much.

You have to remember what the Dolphins looked like when Parcells arrived.  1-15.  No QB. No star players.  No direction.  No future.  No hope.

Today we have Henne.  While he's certainly not a finished product, he at least looks like he might have the potential to blossom into a great QB.  Today we have Brandon Marshall and even though he might not quite look like the star just yet, as Henne gets better so will the Henne/Marshall connection.  Today we have Jake Long.  Today we have Vontae Davis who is starting to get some recognition.  Today we have a direction and hopefully a bright future.  There's plenty of hope even if it's just hope at this point and not proof of concept.  The Dolphins today are so far ahead of where they were when Parcells arrived.  They're not where we want them to be yet, but they are headed in the right direction again.
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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2010, 10:16:01 am »

Today we have Henne.  While he's certainly not a finished product, he at least looks like he might have the potential to blossom into a great QB.  Today we have Brandon Marshall and even though he might not quite look like the star just yet, as Henne gets better so will the Henne/Marshall connection.  Today we have Jake Long.  Today we have Vontae Davis who is starting to get some recognition.

Not to forget Cameron Wake and Koa Misi...
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« Reply #11 on: October 19, 2010, 12:27:57 pm »

Hate on Bill Parcells all you want to. The man goes to every organization and builds a template that the organization can build off of for years and years into the future.

NY Giants - 1980's
-Won 2 Super Bowls and left the Giants as a decent playoff team for an additional 4 more seasons after he left

New England Patriots - 1990's
-Took an abysmal franchise and took them to the Super Bowl in 1996. Just a few years later, Bill Belichick (Tuna's defensive guru) took charge and look at that franchise now

New York Jets - Late 1990's
- An absolute laughing stock of mediocrity. Takes the Jets to the AFC title game, and was up 10-0 at halftime of that game in 1999. The Jets have always been a tough nut to crack in the AFC East ever since during the later regimes of Herm Edwards, and with that solid foundation, Rex Ryan is now making them look like the best team in the NFL.

Dallas Cowboys - 2000's
- Took a franchise that fell apart after their 1990's glory years and the Dave Campo / Chan Gailey disasters and he set them up to succeed and be a force. The team has the talent cultivated and scouted by Parcells - it's not his fault fat-ass Phillips is an incompetent tool at 1-4. A new coach there would almost put the Cowboys back on top that quickly, and that's thanks to the Parcells footprint.

Miami Dolphins - late 2000's
- As someone just mentioned, the team was basically 0-16 (ok, 1-15, whatever). That's historically bad. He came in and in that same year, you guys won the AFC East and went 11-5. Now, you're 3-2 and hanging tough with a young team on both sides of the ball, and a stout WR and a developing young QB. You are set-up for the next 4-5 years to be a tough competitor in the division and in the league. It's not Bill's fault that your coach can't manage a clock, timeouts, personnel, and game strategy.

Bill Parcells sets up organizations for success in sometimes the present, but specifically in the future. It's up to the people who take over to not F it up, like Wade and Jerry have done in Dallas.
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« Reply #12 on: October 19, 2010, 12:49:28 pm »

... the team was basically 0-16 (ok, 1-15, whatever).

And you're basically a tool (ok, a person, whatever).

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« Reply #13 on: October 19, 2010, 12:57:32 pm »

And you're basically a tool (ok, a person, whatever).
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Thank you for clearing that up - without that, I wasn't sure where this thread was derailing to. Smiley
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« Reply #14 on: October 19, 2010, 01:08:47 pm »


You derailed it by once again intentionally misrepresenting Miami's record wrong in that woebegone season. You know that "every time" you do that and it isn't in the anti-fins section, I, or someone else, will slap you down for it.



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