Parcells leaves Dolphins

[MikeO]

MikeO, are you even going to acknowledge the game against GB?  You seem pretty intent on completely ignoring it.

You wanna go game by game through his career?? I will gladly do that.

The GB game was nothing special. He wasn't awful and he wasn't great.  What about the GB game?

[Spider-Dan]

You wanna go game by game through his career?? I will gladly do that.

Are you completely incapable of realizing that when it comes to the question of how well J.Allen is playing NOW, because the very last game he played is slightly more relevant than the 3rd game in 2007?

Once again: your entire argument comes down to, "he sucked before, therefore he must suck now."  Under Mike Nolan (read: this year), there is a strong argument to be made that he has been the best CB on the team.

Does this erase 2006-2009?  No.  But you shouldn't hold those against him any more than you should hold 2001-2003 against Drew Brees.  How bad he was playing then does not cancel out how well he is playing now.

The GB game was nothing special. He wasn't awful and he wasn't great.  What about the GB game?

He didn't allow any big plays and he pulled down an INT.  If that is "nothing special" then Vontae has not had any good games this season at all.

[MikeO]

2006-2009 count.

As does the ONLY reason he is playing this year is because Will Allen got hurt and Sean Smith turned into a bust and lost his starting job. Allen was 3rd on the depth chart and was forced into action. Yes he has a few INT's, that doesn't make him good. Sorry it doesn't!!

But believe what you want, live inside your bubble

[Spider-Dan]

2006-2009 count.

What relevance do they have to this year?

You constantly refer to past years as if it says something about now, yet you have no problem hand-waving away Cameron Wake and Drew Brees.  Please TRY to have some consistency.

[MikeO]

We are going nowhere with this deabte. The main difference is YOU think Jason Allen is playing good this year. Because he has 3 INT's. Thats where I disagree. YES he has 3 INT's but he has still played terrible like always. A couple INT's doesn't change that. He has been burned a ton and opposing teams pick on him all day.

I hope he proves me wrong. But we will just agree to disagree on this issue because we are going nowhere but in circles.

[PhinsHelmetOnPenis]

It's not Bill's fault that your coach can't manage a clock, timeouts, personnel, and game strategy.

actually it is, that was Bill's choice too 

[David Fulcher]

We are going nowhere with this deabte. The main difference is YOU think Jason Allen is playing good this year. Because he has 3 INT's. Thats where I disagree. YES he has 3 INT's but he has still played terrible like always. A couple INT's doesn't change that. He has been burned a ton and opposing teams pick on him all day.

I hope he proves me wrong. But we will just agree to disagree on this issue because we are going nowhere but in circles.

I think the argument should end, too, because like you're saying, nothing y'all've said seems to change the other's mind, but despite that, I'm still with Spider on this one (and plus the fact I don't think he's been ass-terrible his entire career, either, because he hasn't even been on the field that much to make that assessment.  You'd probably say that's just "because he sucks", I know, but I'd say it's at least partly because we've had some decent guys at corner these previous few seasons...definitely would've liked to have seen him in place of Gibril by about Week 5 or 6 last season, though). 

To say he's just been "burned a ton" this season is wrong, though, I'm sorry.  I've watched every game this season besides the Week 1 game against Buffalo, which I don't recall people complaining or commenting that his play was poor that game.  After that, he played well at Minnesota, played poorly the 2nd half against the Jets, sure (even though I think he was in position to make the play most of the time and either slipped or made poor decisions), held his own against the Patsies, and then played fine or even well again against the Packers.  So, don't see where you're getting the "burned a ton" assessment from, man.

[MikeO]

the fact he wasn't on the field till year 4 is proof he was terrible. And more proof it needed 1 guy to get hurt and another guy to be a bust and lose his job for him to even sniff the field.  He had pass interference calls against him vs the Jets, he got beat more than just once in that game. He has been beaten all season but nobody wants to remember those plays. Only the couple INT's he has.


Whatever, believe what ya all want

[Spider-Dan]

the fact he wasn't on the field till year 4 is proof he was terrible.

Once again, the past has nothing to do with this year.

And more proof it needed 1 guy to get hurt and another guy to be a bust and lose his job for him to even sniff the field.

You have no evidence whatsoever that the starting CB combo would have been Will Allen and Vontae Davis (if Will didn't get hurt).  It could have been both Allens, or have been J.Allen and Vontae, as it is now.  You just say it baselessly as if it's fact.

He had pass interference calls against him vs the Jets, he got beat more than just once in that game.

Everyone agrees that he had a bad game against the Jets, so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

He has been beaten all season but nobody wants to remember those plays.

It's hard to remember things that never happened, especially since you steadfastly refuse to cite any actual evidence at all outside of "MARC FREAKING SANCHEZ".

BUF didn't generate any offense at all (except on one drive that someone else blew the coverage on) so Jason clearly wasn't beaten then.
MIN obviously doesn't help you.
We all agree NYJ was bad.
Brady did nothing in the NE game, so it's hard to argue that Jason was torched there.
Jason was our best CB against GB.

Where are your examples?  Support your claims.

[MikeO]

Jason Allen looking great vs Mike Wallace!!

Allen gives up a 65 yard TD!


Keep singing his praises though......Allen sucks

[MikeO]

3rd and long and Jason Allen beat my the mighty Emmanual Sanders (WHO???) Exactly!!

Another terrible day for Jason Allen

[Spider-Dan]

Ronnie Brown doing nothing this game!  And Henne throws a 2 yard pass on 3rd and 14.

I don't know why you guys continue to defend that bum.  Pennington would have scored 3 TDs.

[MikeO]

Ronnie Brown doing nothing this game!  And Henne throws a 2 yard pass on 3rd and 14.

I don't know why you guys continue to defend that bum.  Pennington would have scored 3 TDs.

nobody is defending him.

Let's stay on topic though.......JASON ALLEN

[fyo]

Let's stay on topic though.......JASON ALLEN

Which isn't really the topic either (hint: Thread Title). Can I just say at this point, that I'm sorry that I brought up Jason Allen at all?

[CF DolFan]

Which isn't really the topic either (hint: Thread Title). Can I just say at this point, that I'm sorry that I brought up Jason Allen at all?

Good point. Parcells has left the building and this thread is locked.