Sal "Loser" Alosi

[MikeO]

letter of the law vs spirit of the law

Thats what this comes down to

[Phishfan]

I can't believe this story is carrying on so long.

[Spider-Dan]

Also his accusation against NE is a bit interesting...he accuses the defense of lining up when the Patriots punt. 

They aren't building a wall.  They are getting ready to take the field.  I bet NE offense does the same thing when the other team punts.

Building an Alosi Wall when your own team is punting is pointless, anyway.  There's no one to interfere with.

[Spider-Dan]

MikeO, if you take a swing at an official and miss, you will still be ejected and suspended for the attempt.

Trying to commit a foul is frequently the same as committing a foul.  Intent matters.

[Brian Fein]

If you build a wall and make contact, you're violating the rules.

If you build a wall so that a guy runs around you instead of thru you, there is no violation.  Its not the same as punching a ref.  Its just standing there.  No action.  No aggression.  No intent.  Just standing.

You can not prove intent based on location of standing if no actions are taken.

[Dave Gray]

^ I don't think that's true.

Read the rule that Spider Dan posted.

You have to make an attempt to get out of the way.

[Pappy13]

If you build a wall so that a guy runs around you instead of thru you, there is no violation.

But if the guy tries to run thru your "wall" and runs into one of your players, that IS a violation and could be flagged.  So if you line up with the intention of NOT moving when a player is trying to run passed you are in fact begging for a flag.  I would instruct my gunners to purposely run into your "wall" to try to draw a flag.  Especially now when the officials will probably be watching for it.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Secret Transcript between Rex Ryan and Mike Tannenbaum and Woody Johnson.  

MT: Rex, did you order the Green Wall?
WJ: You *don't* have to answer that question!
RR: I'll answer the question!
RR: You want answers?
MT: I think I'm entitled.
RR: *You want answers?*
MT: *I want the truth!*
RR: *You can't handle the truth!*
[pauses]
RR: Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men in green sweat pants. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Westhoff? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Nolan Carroll, and you curse the Jets. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That Carroll's injury, while tragic, probably saved yards. And my fat ass, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, wins games.  And there is no fucking way we can win a game with Sanchez as the QB without cheating. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me to order the green wall, you need me to order the green wall. We use words like zerbra, 16, left. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the cheating I do, and then questions the manner in which I cheat. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you put on some green sweat pants and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
MT: Did you order the Green Wall?
RR: I did the job I...
MT: *Did you order the Green Wall?*
RR: *You're Goddamn right I did!*

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Building an Alosi Wall when your own team is punting is pointless, anyway.  There's no one to interfere with.

That is when they did build the wall.  To interfere with the gunner.  Not the returner. 

[Pappy13]

OMG, too freaking funny.  Do you mind if I pass this on?  Hell, I don't give a damn if you do or don't, I'm passing it on. LOL

[fyo]

Good one, Hoodie.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

OMG, too freaking funny.  Do you mind if I pass this on?  Hell, I don't give a damn if you do or don't, I'm passing it on. LOL

Go for it. 

[MikeO]

If you build a wall and make contact, you're violating the rules.

If you build a wall so that a guy runs around you instead of thru you, there is no violation.  Its not the same as punching a ref.  Its just standing there.  No action.  No aggression.  No intent.  Just standing.

You can not prove intent based on location of standing if no actions are taken.

Thank you! You are exactly 100% correct!

[Dave Gray]

You cannot blame intent based on location of standing

True, not solely, at least.  However, this is coupled with action (the knee), which led to the investigation, where it was revealed that this coach ordered this formation, for what is assumed by all to be intended to interfere with the gunner.

Had there been no knee, we wouldn't be talking about this, because nobody would've noticed.  It just happened to shed light on a bigger problem, that the coach (and maybe more than just him) actively attempted to interfere with a player during a play, which is specifically against the rules.

[Spider-Dan]

That is when they did build the wall.  To interfere with the gunner.  Not the returner. 

The Jets built their wall(s) when Miami punted.  I'm not sure I get what you're driving at.