Time for Tony Sparano to put up or shut up.

[Dave Gray]

So you think Sparano is a better coach than Cowher, Gruden, Fox, and Fisher! ha ha ha

ha ha ha ha ha...........HA HA HA!! ok! ha ha

I never said that.  I just said that it's up for debate.

Seriously, what do you get out of a forum?  If you're just here to tell us what you think, and not share ideas, what's the point?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

So your answer to my question is actually  "No, but I can throw some diversionary crap out there about their resumes to avoid admitting that I can't predict the future."

I think he is using the Chewbacca defense.

[MikeO]

I never said that.  I just said that it's up for debate.

Seriously, what do you get out of a forum?  If you're just here to tell us what you think, and not share ideas, what's the point?

By that logic EVERYTHING is up for debate. The earth is flat....we know it isn't. But I guess its up for debate.

Saying Sparano is a better coach than Cowher, Gruden, Fox, and Fisher. We know it isn't true but I guess its up for debate.

There is RIGHT and WRONG! Some things are flat out WRONG and while "technically" can be up fro debate. There really is no debate.

Who is a better NFL head coach, Bill Belichick or Cam Cameron? Is that up for debate? Because thats how silly it is comparing Sparano to the likes of Fisher, Fox, Cowher, and Gruden!!!!

[Dave Gray]

You said that "any of those 4 make our team better."

I never said that Sparano was better than them.  But, I don't think that we're a better team today if we have Gruden coaching us.  I'm willing to bet that you'll find many people on here that agree with me.

I would PREFER to have Sparano coaching the Dolphins next year, over Jon Gruden or John Fox.

I might be wrong, but I certainly think it's up for debate.  If you aren't interested in that debate, get lost.

[MikeO]

You said that "any of those 4 make our team better."

I never said that Sparano was better than them.  But, I don't think that we're a better team today if we have Gruden coaching us.  I'm willing to bet that you'll find many people on here that agree with me.

I would PREFER to have Sparano coaching the Dolphins next year, over Jon Gruden or John Fox.

I might be wrong, but I certainly think it's up for debate.  If you aren't interested in that debate, get lost.

Just because you might have numbers on this board that agree with you doesn't make you right.. YOu were all dead wrong about Jason Allen and I was alone on that. I was proven right there. Replace Sparano with any of the 4 other coaches mentioned we are at least 1-2 games better.  Coaching matters.

L

[Dave Gray]

Just because you might have numbers on this board that agree with you doesn't make you right.

No, but it does make it a debate, doesn't it?  (Which is why we're here.)  If you just want to hear yourself talk, I don't think a web forum is the best place for you.

[MikeO]

No, but it does make it a debate, doesn't it?  (Which is why we're here.)  If you just want to hear yourself talk, I don't think a web forum is the best place for you.

Don't trip getting off your soap box. 

[Sunstroke]

Don't trip getting off your soap box.   

Consider taking your own advice.

...no winking emoticon forthcoming.

[MikeO]

Consider taking your own advice.

...no winking emoticon forthcoming.

You have some man-crush on me. All you do is respond to what I post. All you do is de-rail threads in weak attempts to attack me. You got a crazy man-crush on me. It's so sad. Very Very Sad!

[Tenshot13]

Just because you might have numbers on this board that agree with you doesn't make you right.. YOu were all dead wrong about Jason Allen and I was alone on that. I was proven right there. Replace Sparano with any of the 4 other coaches mentioned we are at least 1-2 games better.  Coaching matters.

L

Would you stop with the Jason Allen thing already?  You have to bring that up in almost every thread, and it's getting old.  It is your OPINION that Jason Allen sucks.  It's my OPINION that Jason Allen is average.  There is no right or wrong here, even if we ended up cutting him.

I would also keep Sparano over Gruden or Fox and would add that I'd keep him over Fisher as well.  I really don't think Fox is a good coach.  .511 winning percentage?  Pathetic.  Sparano has a .566.  Yup, that's better than Fox.  Gruden has a .540.  Yup, Sparano has a better winning percentage than Gruden too.  Jeff fisher has a .544.  Hmm, Sparano is better yet again.  Cowher is the only one out the four with a better winning percentage (.623), so I could see an argument for him, but I don't agree with it. 

I think we have to give Sparano more than 3 years to prove himself.  If owners didn't give these other coaches a chance and were impatient with them, then they wouldn't have the accolades they have right now. Gruden was 8-8 his first two years before making the playoffs. 

Fox is as inconsistent as it gets.  2002 missed the playoffs, 2003 made the playoffs, 2004 missed the playoffs, 2005 made the playoffs, 2006 missed the playoffs, 2007 missed the playoffs, 2008 made the playoffs, 2009 missed, 2010 worst record in football.

As far as Fisher goes, he didn't make the playoffs until his SIXTH YEAR COACHING!  Imagine if he did that in Miami?  He would have been gone a long time ago.

I think we definitely need to give Sparano some more time.

[MikeO]

Would you stop with the Jason Allen thing already?  You have to bring that up in almost every thread, and it's getting old.  It is your OPINION that Jason Allen sucks.  It's my OPINION that Jason Allen is average.  There is no right or wrong here, even if we ended up cutting him.

There is a right or wrong, HE WAS CUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON FROM AN AVERAGE TEAM! That's proof enough.  He was cut for Al friggin Harris. And the ONLY team that wanted him was teh team with one of the 5 worst defenses in the NFL, if not the worst.

[Tenshot13]

There is a right or wrong, HE WAS CUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON FROM AN AVERAGE TEAM! That's proof enough.  He was cut for Al friggin Harris. And the ONLY team that wanted him was teh team with one of the 5 worst defenses in the NFL, if not the worst.

The team maybe average (although their record right now shows they are above average), but the defense is not.  They rank 5th overall and 6th against the pass.  I can see an average defender, like Allen, being cut when defensive stats are that good.  As far as being cut for Al Harris, he has shown brilliance in the past and is a solid veteran when healthy.  I think the front office was thinking Harris was an up grade, and, unfortunately, missed their shot with him when he got hurt. 

Regardless, this isn't a debate about Jason Allen, it's about Sparano and possible coaches that may or may not replace him, so I'll be looking forward to your answer regarding the rest of my previous post, and not be responding to anymore Jason Allen talk.

[Sunstroke]

You have some man-crush on me. All you do is respond to what I post. All you do is de-rail threads in weak attempts to attack me. You got a crazy man-crush on me. It's so sad. Very Very Sad!

I've actually lobbied to have your obnoxious ass booted from the site...there's your man-crush, you fucking tool.

And I reply to lots of people's posts...you're just such a complete sociopath that the rest of my posts don't register.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

You have some man-crush on me. All you do is respond to what I post. All you do is de-rail threads in weak attempts to attack me. You got a crazy man-crush on me. It's so sad. Very Very Sad!

No Mike you are the one who derails the threads.  This one was going well until you returned. 

Go back and read the back and forth between me and Pappy.  We disagree but we have a respectable conversation.  Then compare that to the crap you spew. 

[MikeO]

I've actually lobbied to have your obnoxious ass booted from the site...there's your man-crush, you fucking tool.

And I reply to lots of people's posts...you're just such a complete sociopath that the rest of my posts don't register.

Real Mature! Can't disagree or have a civil debate with someone..... so lets BAN HIM! lol