Time for Tony Sparano to put up or shut up.

[Dave Gray]

I just don't see us losing because we're outcoached.

I love Belicheck (envy him, at least), but he's able to do things we aren't because he's got great players in key positions.  That matters.  Brady has protection and doesn't make mistakes, with receivers who catch the ball.

Sure, I want to see us go for it on 4th down, but when you're getting only 5 completions a game, you just can't make that call.  The Pats are an anomaly.

[Pappy13]

You cut on the part where I credited BB for keeping Moss focused and in line.  But it doesn't take a PhD in football to tell Randy run down the field. 

My point is that ANYONE with speed can run down the field.  It takes more than that to be effective.  It takes coaching and the player applying that coaching.  Ginn didn't seem to do it.  Moss did.  Why?  I don't know.  Maybe Moss was more talented or maybe he's just had better coaching or was able to apply that coaching better.  It may not have even been a coach, I've heard Cris Carter had a lot to do with showing Moss how to play the receiver position.

You need multiple people. Name one position where you have a clear edge over the Jets personnel wise other than punter. That's on Ireland not Sparano. 

Ireland is responsible for potential.  Sparano is responsible for taking potential and turning it into actual ability.  Yes it's possible that Ireland may have made some mistakes in seeing potential, but it's also equally possible that Sparano hasn't done his part in turning potential into ability.

Consider that one of your examples of Sparano's coaching ability is Pennington.  Pennington came to the team literally weeks before the season started.  I doubt there was much that Sparano could possibly teach Pennington in the couple weeks he was here.  Most of what Pennington knew about football he already knew before coming to the Dolphins.

Sparano has done a nice job with Long.  Name another rookie that's he's done a nice job with.  Vontae maybe? 1 or 2 isn't good enough.  Miami has drafted 26 players under Sparano.  How many would you say he's done a good job developing?  It's not all Ireland.  Sparano got a vote in the drafts as well.

[Pappy13]

I love Belicheck (envy him, at least), but he's able to do things we aren't because he's got great players in key positions.  That matters.  Brady has protection and doesn't make mistakes, with receivers who catch the ball.

But you have to ask yourself, is Brady just that good or did BB have something to do with developing Brady.  It's not like Brady stepped onto the Patriots, they took one look at him and said get him onto the field, he's ready to go now.  Brady didn't play his rookie year.  Even his first full year starting he didn't look that amazing.  18 TD's and 12 INT's.  But he got better each of those years and by year 3 he was looking a lot like he does today.  So do you think just anyone could have gotten that out of him or did BB do a better job of developing Brady than maybe Sparano would have?  Given BB's ability to do that with not just Brady, but with a lot of players, I tend to think BB had a lot to do with it.

[Dave Gray]

Brady won the Super Bowl off the bench.  I think it's safe to say that he started strong right out of the gate, but BB had another big name guy ahead of him.

I don't know if Brady would be Brady if he'd started under Sparano.  I have no idea.  But I think that at some point, good players will be good -- bad players, bad.  I think that Henne has been well coached, actually.  It's pretty amazing that he can win games with the way he plays.  The coaches have done a good job at making him get rid of the ball and limit turnovers (though that's regressed a bit in the last couple of weeks.)

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Yeah...BB gets more out of his players than the avg. coach. 

But you don't fire avg coaches, you fire bad ones.

Sparono's problem is you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. 

[dolfan13]

shanahan, offensive genius, head coaching brilliance with elway... with mcnabb, the guy is a bum

[Pappy13]

Brady won the Super Bowl off the bench.

What?  He started 14 of 16 games that year.  Not exactly coming off the bench to win the Super Bowl.

On top of that he had a QB rating of 77.3 in the playoffs.  It's not like he was the sole reason they won the SB that year.  He had 1 TD and 1 INT in the post season.  Let's not start rewriting history here and making Brady the best QB in his 2nd year in the league in the history of the NFL.  That belongs to Dan.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

 It's not like he was the sole reason they won the SB that year.  

Team went 0-2 with a four time pro-bowl QB that year, and the prior season team went 5-11.

Only thing that changes is the QB and the team turns around 5-13 and goes 11-3 and wins the superbowl. 

While Brady might not have been the sole reason.  But he had a huge part in it.   

[Pappy13]

Sparono's problem is you can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. 

Well I remember Bum Philips praising Don Shula in this way.

"He can take his'n and beat your'n and then take your'n and beat his'n".

That's my definition of a great coach.

[Pappy13]

While Brady might not have been the sole reason.  But he had a huge part in it.   

He had a part.  How huge it was is debateable.  Might be saying more about the inetitude of that 4 time pro-bowler than of the brilliance of Brady that year.

I remember that year very well.  Brady was a nobody then.  In the week leading up to the SuperBowl a lot was made of the fact that St Louis had all the stars and the Patriots were a "team".  I was rooting for that "team" of the Patriots to beat the stars and they did, even when no one expected them too.  I was disappointed when Brady then became a star after that game.  I liked the "team" image that New England had put foward, but that all went out the window after they won the Super Bowl.  Let's not forget that Brady went 9-7 the next year and missed the playoffs.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Well I remember Bum Philips praising Don Shula in this way.

"He can take his'n and beat your'n and then take your'n and beat his'n".

That's my definition of a great coach.

Yeah...i have heard that.  And I am willing to bet if you gave BB and week with Fins and Sapano a week with the Pats BB is gonna prevail.  

OTOH.  You give Rex Ryan the Fins and Sapano the Jets.  Sapano will whip Ryan so bad it would make the Jets-Pats MNF game look razor close.  The talent gap between the Jets and Fins is insane.  

[Pappy13]

The talent gap between the Jets and Fins is insane.  

Did you watch the last game between both of those teams?  The Jets have an edge, but it's not nearly as big as you're making it out to be.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Did you watch the last game between both of those teams?  The Jets have an edge, but it's not nearly as big as you're making it out to be.

I blame it on one team being better coached and showing up to play and the other teams psyche being broken because of horrible coaching making their prior game more significant than it really was.  And an inability of the coach to get the team to focus on the next game. 

The reason why you beat the Jets is you have a better coach. 

[Pappy13]

I blame it on one team being better coached and showing up to play and the other teams psyche being broken because of horrible coaching making their prior game more significant than it really was.  And an inability of the coach to get the team to focus on the next game. 

Oh, I see they were still reeling from the beating by your team.  I should have known.

The reason why you beat the Jets is you have a better coach. 

I didn't see it that way.  I think we beat the Jets because our QB didn't play as bad as their QB.  Henne didn't play that great, but he did take advantage of a couple turnovers to put 10 points on the board, their QB didn't.  It was a pretty sloppy game by both sides.

[MikeO]

There is no doubt IN YOUR MIND about that

(hasn't this lesson sunk in yet?)

All 4 of those guys have led a team to a Super Bowl. And 2 of them won it. They are all heads and shoulders superior head coaches than Sparano.

Let's compare resumes on those 4, Sparano is at the BOTTOM of the list!