Who to go after at Quarterback?

[dolphins4life]

It's official:  Henne is not the guy.  The guy has cost us at least three games this year with his interceptions.  (NE, Cle, and Det)

We need to look elsewhere.  Maybe we can sucker a team into giving up a late round pick for him.   

I think John Kitna might be a good fit for the Dolphins.  He's a solid veteren and he's played pretty well with an awful Cowboys team.

Are there any other veterans out there who will be free agents?

As for the draft, I think we need to look at other positions for the draft.   

[Sunstroke]

It's official:  Henne is not the guy.

Can you post a link to the "official" statement from the team?  Or does "It's official" as used here simply mean "It's obvious in my mind...?"

I think John Kitna might be a good fit for the Dolphins.  He's a solid veteren and he's played pretty well with an awful Cowboys team.

Yeah, who needs a young talented franchise QB...let's just get an old "near-retirement" retread QB instead.

As for the draft, I think we need to look at other positions for the draft.  

I imagine Miami will look at lots of different positions in this draft...but one of them probably should be QB.

[Pappy13]

I imagine Miami will look at lots of different positions in this draft...but one of them probably should be QB.

Miami should take the best available player no matter what position he plays.  I don't think you can make an argument that there is a position on the team that DOESN'T need improvement.  If the best player available is a punter, I'd take him.

[dolphins4life]

Can you post a link to the "official" statement from the team?  Or does "It's official" as used here simply mean "It's obvious in my mind...?"

Yeah, who needs a young talented franchise QB...let's just get an old "near-retirement" retread QB instead.

I imagine Miami will look at lots of different positions in this draft...but one of them probably should be QB.

Got any young talented franchise QBs available?  I can't think of any.       

[Sunstroke]

I see 3 or 4 potential young franchise QBs in this draft class...so the answer is "yes."

Better question might be...why in the world would YOU want Miami to sign Kitna? How could that signing possibly do anything for a team in obvious rebuilding mode?

[Spider-Dan]

Miami should take the best available player no matter what position he plays.  I don't think you can make an argument that there is a position on the team that DOESN'T need improvement.  If the best player available is a punter, I'd take him.

You're going to chase a punter when we have one of the best ones in the game?

Let's not get silly here, guys.  We're fine at punter.  We're fine at kicker.  We don't need a FB.  We don't need a LT.  We're probably good at WR, DE/OLB, and safety.

This "let's get rid of everyone and start from scratch" attitude is absurd.

[dolphins4life]

I see 3 or 4 potential young franchise QBs in this draft class...so the answer is "yes."

Better question might be...why in the world would YOU want Miami to sign Kitna? How could that signing possibly do anything for a team in obvious rebuilding mode?

Well, I figured he could pull off something similar to what Pennington did in 2008. 

[Pappy13]

You're going to chase a punter when we have one of the best ones in the game?

Please don't twist my words or put words in my mouth.  I said IF the punter is the best available player than take him.  If he's not then don't.  I said NOTHING about chasing a player, in fact, I said just the opposite.

Let's not get silly here, guys.  We're fine at punter.  We're fine at kicker. 

I agree, but if the best available player in round 5 is a punter, I'd rather take him than CHASE a QB.

We don't need a FB. 

I'm not sure about this.  He's great running the ball on short yardage, but he's not exactly looked great as lead blocker for Ricky or Ronnie this year.

We don't need a LT.

But we could use a RT and depth.

We're probably good at WR, DE/OLB, and safety.

But it wouldn't hurt to bring in another at any of those positions either.

This "let's get rid of everyone and start from scratch" attitude is absurd.

That's not what I was advocating.

[dolphins4life]

During a slow shift at work, I decided to look back at some of the games and analyze Henne:

1) The Browns game:

           - 1 TD and three Ints at home in a must win game.

           - The first Int was his fault.  He had Hartline wide open on a sideline go route and underthrew him

           - Second Int was also his fault.  Not only was Bess well covered, but the ball was high and behind him.  Also, he had Fasano wide open for what would have been a first down.

            - Third Int you could argue was just bad luck.    

2) The Bills loss:

          - His pick was at a critical time and it was his fault.  The score was 0-0.  Patrick Cobbs was well covered, but more importantly, it was a terrible judgement by Henne.  It was third and sixteen and Cobbs had run a five yard route.  Even if he could have caught the ball, he wasn't going to get the first down.  The only thing that could have happened by making the throw other than the Dolphins punting after the play was for it to be picked.  The Bills converted that pick into a 7-0 lead that set the tone for the game.

3) The Lions game:
  
          - His Touchdown pass to Bess should have been a pick.  He forced the ball to Bess and the Lions defender should have picked it, but it deflected off his hands.
           - His pick with the game score now 27-24 was all on him.   He had Fasano wide open on a short route and horribly missed him
           - His final pick six was also his fault.  The receiver did fall, but he would not have been open anyway


So, in summary that's 5 picks that were his fault, and several that were costly in three must win games at home against three of the worst teams in the league.  This is against only 3 TD passes during that span.

I don't see how anybody can argue that he is the quarterback of the future.    

Edit:  And these picks came when the Dolphins were either ahead or tied, so it's not like he's being forced to take risks in order to lead a comeback.   

[bsmooth]

It's official:  Henne is not the guy.  The guy has cost us at least three games this year with his interceptions.  (NE, Cle, and Det)

We need to look elsewhere.  Maybe we can sucker a team into giving up a late round pick for him.   

I think John Kitna might be a good fit for the Dolphins.  He's a solid veteren and he's played pretty well with an awful Cowboys team.

Are there any other veterans out there who will be free agents?

As for the draft, I think we need to look at other positions for the draft.   

So the reciever falling down was Henne's fault? The defense capitulating in the 4th was his fault?
He is not a great qb, but there are a lot of other problems on this team than just Henne.

[tepop84]

So the reciever falling down was Henne's fault? The defense capitulating in the 4th was his fault?
He is not a great qb, but there are a lot of other problems on this team than just Henne.

Nothing is every Henne's fault.

[dolphins4life]

So the reciever falling down was Henne's fault? The defense capitulating in the 4th was his fault?
He is not a great qb, but there are a lot of other problems on this team than just Henne.

The receiver falling down wasn't Henne's fault.  But the pick was.  The receiver wasn't open even if he hadn't slipped.  Just a bad decision at a crucial time.         

[CF DolFan]

3) The Lions game:
  
          - His Touchdown pass to Bess should have been a pick.  He forced the ball to Bess and the Lions defender should have picked it, but it deflected off his hands.
           - His pick with the game score now 27-24 was all on him.   He had Fasano wide open on a short route and horribly missed him
           - His final pick six was also his fault.  The receiver did fall, but he would not have been open anyway

I don't see how anybody can argue that he is the quarterback of the future.    

Well since you are making things up you certainly can't see how we can't see it.  He wasn't throwing to Fasano but to a new tight end that didn't do what he was supposed to do. Secondly Bess and Sparano already backed up the claim that Bess's fall caused the second INT.

So you can make things up and even blame the punt coverage on him too but that doesn't make it a reality.

The guy makes mistakes but everything isn't his fault.

[dolphins4life]

Well since you are making things up you certainly can't see how we can't see it.  He wasn't throwing to Fasano but to a new tight end that didn't do what he was supposed to do. Secondly Bess and Sparano already backed up the claim that Bess's fall caused the second INT.

So you can make things up and even blame the punt coverage on him too but that doesn't make it a reality.

The guy makes mistakes but everything isn't his fault.

so I misidentified Fasano, but from what I saw in the video, the TE was wide open.   I'm confused as to how he didn't do what he was supposed to do. 

[Pappy13]

During a slow shift at work, I decided to look back at some of the games and analyze Henne

May I ask why you chose these 3 games?  Might it have been because they were all losses?  How about you analyze a few of the wins? Since you chose the last 3 games where they lost, how about you do the same for the last 3 wins, the Jets, Raiders and Titans?

Here' I'll help you out.  Henne was 62 of 102 with 5 TD's and 3 interceptions. Not exactly franchise numbers but certainly encouraging enough to think that given the right circumstances he can be a very effective QB.

That's how I can argue that he *might* be the QB of the future.