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« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2011, 01:22:43 pm »

If you trade up to take a QB, he won't compete for the starting job.  He gets it automatic.  No matter how good or crappy he is training camp and pre-season game.  Thiggy is a FA and it would be unlikely he would be resigned.  Henne becomes the #2.  Although coach will claim it is a competition between the draftee and Henne.
Which is another reason why Sparano WON'T do it.  He's not about to bring in a QB that he HAS to start and then suffer through a couple INT's a game while he get's his feet wet in the NFL.  That's COMPLETELY contrary to Sparano's philosophy.

So anyone who wants Sparano back, the most you can hope for is a QB picked 15th who won't start next year or a veteran QB in free agency.  Expecting anything more than that is pure fantasy.
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« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2011, 03:51:26 pm »

Included in RB's are Full Backs.  It's been quite a while since the Fins had a Full Back that could smash it up the middle for those third and short yardage situations

What the HECK are you talking about???

That's the ONE thing we have. Polite is VERY good. I recall him having an insane streak going at one time of converting. And all that despite a mediocre interior O-line and EVERYONE knowing the play call on 3rd and short with Polite in the backfield.

Miami was the #1 ranked team in power situations (2 yards or less) this season. And you want to spend a pick improving THAT aspect?

(And #2 last year, for reference)
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« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2011, 04:04:57 pm »

Blaine Gabbert declared for the draft.  He is not ready to start right away though.
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« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2011, 05:21:16 pm »

If Solai leaves via Free Agency.....then we need a NT in the worst way
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« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2011, 05:27:33 pm »

If Solai leaves via Free Agency.....then we need a NT in the worst way

I would hate it if they let him go.
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« Reply #20 on: January 03, 2011, 08:37:25 pm »

I would hate it if they let him go.

They might not have a choice.

Also don't be shocked if Marshall is traded this offseason. If Miami can get some value for him they might jump on that. Bad attitude. Poor play. Cut their loses early with him would be wise if the right offer came along.
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« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2011, 01:19:36 pm »

^^ Agreed.  Don't count on Marshall being in a Dolphins jersey next year especially if Henne is back next year.
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« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2011, 05:56:16 pm »

^^ Agreed.  Don't count on Marshall being in a Dolphins jersey next year especially if Henne is back next year.

Henne will be back. Probably as the #2 QB. But Henne is under contract. Has a managable contract and he won't be going anywhere.
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« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2011, 09:34:51 am »

Would put money on Ingram, if he's still there at #15. Ricky's gone, Ronnie's fragile and inconsistemt. Having someone like Ingram in the backfield would take a lot of pressure off of Chad (or whoever is under center). -EK
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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2011, 09:40:05 pm »

I think the dolphins should get a QB but from free agency, maybe make a deal with the Redskins for McNabb, but def. draft an explosive offensive player in 1st rd. maybe RB even, why not, that could catch the ball too, and with veteraqn QB to build the offense around could be good. Miami needs a QB with good arm to get that ball to Marshall, since he gets double teamed alot add a receiver, TE with 2nd pick....last year they went mostly defensive players, plus the defense is fairly young and good so def. go for offensive weapons. Rookie QB ....i just dont see one that could be good right away, and he would probably have to start, so instead get QB from free agency and put Henne #2, I thought he'd be better but I just dont see him leading this team
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« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2011, 10:41:28 am »

One of 4 positions;

Give me the best NT, ILB, WR or RB still on the board at 15. 

If all four are still on the board, I'd go ILB or RB first.

Otherwise I'd trade down/out of the first round and see if we can get some extra picks.
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« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2011, 11:15:01 am »

Haven't we learned you don't take a RB in Rd 1?!?  Unless its a can't miss guy like Adrian Petterson type, don't do it!

You can find capable RB's in the later rounds.  Rd 1 is where you find NT, LB, big-time WR's....etc.

I mean where was Michael Turner drafted? Ryan Grant? Matt Forte? Fred Jackson? Not Rd 1. 2 of those guys went undrafted. Turner was Rd 4 and Fortee was Rd 2.

Point is you can find capable RB's anywhere....wasting a 1st round pick on one makes little sense unless you have that once in lifetime player. And I don't think Ingram or any RB in next years draft is that guy
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« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2011, 11:53:54 am »

Haven't we learned you don't take a RB in Rd 1?!?  Unless its a can't miss guy like Adrian Petterson type, don't do it!

You can find capable RB's in the later rounds.  Rd 1 is where you find NT, LB, big-time WR's....etc.

I mean where was Michael Turner drafted? Ryan Grant? Matt Forte? Fred Jackson? Not Rd 1. 2 of those guys went undrafted. Turner was Rd 4 and Fortee was Rd 2.

Point is you can find capable RB's anywhere....wasting a 1st round pick on one makes little sense unless you have that once in lifetime player. And I don't think Ingram or any RB in next years draft is that guy

Where was Wes Welker drafted?  Where was Tom Brady drafted?  Where was Camron Wake drafted? Where was Drew Bennett drafted? Where was Tony Romo drafted?  Where was Antonio Gates drafted?

Yes, you can find capable running backs in later rounds. But you can also find any position there as well. 
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« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2011, 12:31:04 pm »


In this case, I agree with MikeO completely. Unless you have a bonfide "can't miss" monster RB available, I think you look at other positions first, and grab a RB later. Sure, you can dig out a diamond at other positions in later rounds as well, but I think you're better served by grabbing blue chippers at OL, DL, QB, LB and DB in round one. I think you can occasionally slide WR in there, if you see an Andre/Calvin Johnson type freak of nature, but even those don't work out sometimes (see Edwards, Braylon).

You want to make "pumping up the effectiveness of the running game" your #1 priority in this draft? OK, with a couple of hypothetical liberties, I think you:

A) Trade down from #15 to the mid-late 20's and get back the missing 2nd rounder (reasonable for that sort of positional swap)
B) Grab a road-grading right tackle or top OG in round one. Give Jake some much-needed help...
C) Upgrade defense in rds 2-3 with best players available at any D-need positions.
D) Grab 2-3 mid-late round and UFA rookie "lump o' coal" RBs with high potential, and squeeze 'em to see which have diamond potential.

...and either get Henne to start playing like a starting QB or go after one in free agency who can hold down the starting spot until Miami finds their franchise-caliber QB.

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« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2011, 12:37:31 pm »

Where was Wes Welker drafted?  Where was Tom Brady drafted?  Where was Camron Wake drafted? Where was Drew Bennett drafted? Where was Tony Romo drafted?  Where was Antonio Gates drafted?

Yes, you can find capable running backs in later rounds. But you can also find any position there as well. 

That's silly TROLL BOY! Some positions are harder to find capable players at in the late rounds. RB is a dime a dozen position for the most part. You can get guys who perform at a high level later in the draft or not drafted at all and do it at a higher %. While you are at a lower percentage trying to find QB's, DE,s NT's...etc capable players at those positions in the late rounds.
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