The kind of stuff I want to hear.

[Dave Gray]

I agree, an agressive offense would be nice. Gotta have the players though. Marshall, Hartline, and Bess don't cut it.

Good players are great and all, but that's not even what I'm talking about.  I'd like to see us go for it more on 4th and short, for example, regardless of personnel.  I'd rather try to win and not, instead of try to keep the game close and lose anyway.  When I read aggressive, I'm not even talking about offensive play calling, in terms of plays...it's more a team philosophy of going for the jugular.

[CF DolFan]

Yes. Like going for it on 4th and inches instead of kicking a fg with the lead. Baltimore just scored that way!!! Very nice!!!

[Diehard_Dolfan]

Marshall is slow and Bess is slow, but those 2 guys aren't going anywhere they will be back in Miami.

Hartline, Moore, Wallace. Those 3 guys are nice players, but if we could replace at least 2 of them with some speed guys it would help a lot.

Marshall is not a speedster but he does use his body to get open... Bess is strictly a slot guy he's quick not fast.  Hartline has the speed to stretch the field but is not consistent but that's partly his QB's fault.  Moore hasn't had any problem getting open Henne just hasn't been able to get the ball to any of his receivers consistently!

You can't talk about changing to an agressive offense but not talk about turning over the talent. To do one you MUST do the other. Otherwise you are spinning your wheels in the mud going noplace. And all of these 5 guys are slow by NFL standards, nonoe of them have gamebreaking speed. Don't pretend they do

I think part of our problem is that Ronnie Brown has definitely regressed as a RB!  Ronnie is a big back by NFL standards and looks to try and be a finesse back instead of lowering his shoulder and running over people.  Ronnie Brown is a bit too patient with setting up his blocks... he needs to just hit it and go sometimes instead of stuttering.   

[MikeO]

Yes. Like going for it on 4th and inches instead of kicking a fg with the lead. Baltimore just scored that way!!! Very nice!!!

The Browns game was the worst. We had a 3rd and 8 at like the 35 yard line and we ran Ricky up the middle for like 2 yards to try a FG. I mean if you don't try and pick up a 3rd down vs the stinkin Browns at home and are playing for a FG, something is seriously wrong

[Pappy13]

I agree, an agressive offense would be nice. Gotta have the players though. Marshall, Hartline, and Bess don't cut it.

Agressiveness is not about speed.  It's about taking chances when you have the chance.  It's about not taking what the defense is giving you, but rather dictating to the defense what you are gonna do.  It's about throwing the ball downfield even after you cross mid field and not becoming conservative in your offensive play calling.  Granted that speed helps, but it's not the be all and end all.  Marshall, Hartline and Bess are plenty good enough.  What's not good enough is all the other parts of the offense.

Both RB's (obviously both or 1 will be gone) are slow. Our TE is slow.  You can call the most aggressive offense in the world, but you gotta have the players to execute it. We don't right now.

Now you are talking.  This is where the team really failed this year.  The running game was terrible.  The offensive line didn't open any holes and the few times they did, the RB's failed to really exploit them.  The TE wasn't a reliable option.  The QB played scared to make mistakes most of the time and then tried to force the ball at all the wrong times.  All of those positions need to have better play.  I still haven't given up on Henne, but he's clearly got to get better at being a more dynamic player.  He's got to quit worrying about making mistakes and just play.  Whether that's coaching or on him, I can't say, but either way it's got to happen for him to take the next step.

We are built like a Parcells team. Big, slow, grind it out, plotting team. You won't change that in 1 offseason. Especially an offseason that might last 2 weeks with a lockout.

Agreed.  That's why you have to make due with the few players that you have that are decent which are Marshall, Hartline, Bess, Carey and Long.  Others will have to step up like maybe Henne, Cobb and Hilliard.  Then a few more will have to be added in the offseason.  It's not impossible, other teams do it all the time, I'm just not convinced that Sparano and company can do it.  The offensive line problems are the most puzzling for me.  Sparano's background is offensive line.  It's quite shocking how many have been brought in and failed to produce.  In my opinion they need to pick 3 guys in the middle of the line and stick with them all through preaseason and the season.  Time for the revolving door to shut down and let 5 guys get all the snaps and gel.

[MikeO]

Gotta have speed to be aggressive.

If you are gonna throw the ball downfield more, you need someone with the speed to get there and make the play

[Pappy13]

Gotta have speed to be aggressive.

If you are gonna throw the ball downfield more, you need someone with the speed to get there and make the play

No, you don't.  All you need is good route running, good hands, good timing, an accurate pass and enough time.  Speed only helps with the enough time part, a decent line can do the same thing.  And all the speed in the world doesn't matter if one of the other keys is missing.  That's why Tedd Ginn will never make a good WR and Gronkowski is already a better reciever.  Speed works well in college, in the pro's everyone is fast, what you need is ability and smarts.

[Diehard_Dolfan]

Gotta have speed to be aggressive.

If you are gonna throw the ball downfield more, you need someone with the speed to get there and make the play

Wayne Chrebet the old jets's WR was never known for speed caught many deep balls... Troy Brown was not a blazer caught many a deep ball... go back to Jerry Rice deemed too slow for the NFL need I say more?

Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, neither is known for speed... a lot more guys in NFL with top notch speed but speed doesn't always translate to great receiver...

[MikeO]

Ginn cant catch the ball. That's what hurts him. Nothing else

[Diehard_Dolfan]

Ginn cant catch the ball. That's what hurts him. Nothing else

I seem to recall him having trouble beating press or bump coverage as well...

[Pappy13]

Ginn cant catch the ball. That's what hurts him. Nothing else

Sometimes it's better to say nothing at all and let people think that you don't know anything then open your mouth and prove them right.

I rest my case.

[MikeO]

Sometimes it's better to say nothing at all and let people think that you don't know anything then open your mouth and prove them right.

I rest my case.

And now who de-railed this thread? Some of you people are such hypocrites.

Bottom line is everyone you mentioned in your post above played on a team with at least 1  speed WR. A burner. Rice had Taylor as just one example. Im not saying every WR needs to be a speed guy, but you need to have 1 on your roster to expand the field. So everyone just can't crowd up. Make opponents respect your deep passing game. We don't have one of those guys. We don't need 3 or 4. Just 1!

But why let a good football discussion get in the way of your petty, childish, namecalling!  Go back to acting like a 4 year old. Seems to be what you do best

[Pappy13]

^^ Sorry, that was the only response I could come up with to "Ginn cant catch the ball. That's what hurts him. Nothing else".   My mouth was around my knees.  I'm done.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Sometimes it's better to say nothing at all and let people think that you don't know anything then open your mouth and prove them right.

Some folks are well past that point. 

[MikeO]

^^ Sorry, that was the only response I could come up with to "Ginn cant catch the ball. That's what hurts him. Nothing else".   My mouth was around my knees.  I'm done.

 ::)whatever. Way to derail a thread beacuse you can't debate the topic at hand.