Why do people believe in astrology?

[CF DolFan]

In short, Jesus died for all sins. The sins already committed and the ones yet to be committed. If you are a Christian (this is the biggest question) then your sins are already paid for. You can't unpay what Jesus did. 

Dr. Steve Brown is a very well respected Christian leader whose ministry is centered on this very thing. We are saved by "God's grace" and not by our own acts. This means since we did nothing to gain it we can do nothing to loose it. The question is whether or not you were ever saved in the first place.

He actually tells people to go out and sin and that God will love you anyway. This freedom in Christ is exactly what the Bible speaks of. It also shows that those of us who are saved follow God out of love and not out of fear and rules. While it is healthy to respect God no one, including Him, wants you to obey out of fear.  I mean, it is out of love that he even gives us the guidelines.

Everything God did and does is out of love for us but people want to leave that part out. His love is the main story line of the bible.   Part of the reason so many people feel vindicated in bashing God's existance is the fact he doesn't smite us when when sin. Once people realize that He does love us in spite of our downfalls is usually when they get saved ... and thus start listening to Him!!

[Dave Gray]

^ So what happens to non-Christians when they die?

[badger6]

^ So what happens to non-Christians when they die?

^^^ You're going to the BBQ party with me, the evil goat, and 65% of the worlds population. I'm bringing the Makers Mark. What are you bringing Dave ?

[Pappy13]

^ So what happens to non-Christians when they die?

Non-Christians or Atheists?  There are plenty of Non-Christians that still believe in some kind of God and/or Heaven.

But to answer your question, I don't know what happens to them.  Maybe nothing.  Maybe we'll all end up the same place no matter what we think or do.  I'll tell you one thing though, I don't have faith because I'm afraid to go to hell.  I really don't.  And I don't have faith because I want to end up in heaven either.  I really don't.  I have faith because it makes me feel like I'm trying.  Trying to be a better person.  Trying to shoot for something better than just being along for the ride until my body gives out.  That's what drives me.  Sure, I hope that one day they'll be a payoff, but I'm not worried about it.  I'm just trying to be the best person I can be for myself and my family and having a belief system I think helps to keep my focus on what really matters.  What kind of person I am and what kind of person I can be.  Why not shoot for the best rather than settle for something less?

[Dave Gray]

I was specifically asking CF, who was saying that Christians have their sins paid for.  What of non-Christians, CF?  What happens to them?

[CF DolFan]

I was specifically asking CF, who was saying that Christians have their sins paid for.  What of non-Christians, CF?  What happens to them?

They are eternally separated from God as they have chosen. Either way is a choice that will not be forced upon a person.

God wants to be loved and if there is no choice then love cannot exist.
The bible is actually pretty simple. Submit to God and live with Him forever as was originally intended before the separation or choose to live by worshipping you own self. Love God or love yourself.

[Dave Gray]

Is that a fancy way of saying "hell"?

[StL FinFan]

In short, Jesus died for all sins. The sins already committed and the ones yet to be committed. If you are a Christian (this is the biggest question) then your sins are already paid for. You can't unpay what Jesus did. 

Dr. Steve Brown is a very well respected Christian leader whose ministry is centered on this very thing. We are saved by "God's grace" and not by our own acts. This means since we did nothing to gain it we can do nothing to loose it. The question is whether or not you were ever saved in the first place.

He actually tells people to go out and sin and that God will love you anyway. This freedom in Christ is exactly what the Bible speaks of. It also shows that those of us who are saved follow God out of love and not out of fear and rules. While it is healthy to respect God no one, including Him, wants you to obey out of fear.  I mean, it is out of love that he even gives us the guidelines.

Everything God did and does is out of love for us but people want to leave that part out. His love is the main story line of the bible.   Part of the reason so many people feel vindicated in bashing God's existance is the fact he doesn't smite us when when sin. Once people realize that He does love us in spite of our downfalls is usually when they get saved ... and thus start listening to Him!!

CF totally just explained why I don't believe there is a Hell.  You either end up with God or you don't.  Maybe we all end up with God regardless.

[CF DolFan]

Is that a fancy way of saying "hell"?

Fancy? I wouldn't say that but it explains what happens more than just saying hell. God doesn't put you there. People put themselves there. When people think of hell they think of God having fun sending people there and that isn't the case at all. He grieves ever person who turns from Him.

To follow this up because I know I read it somewhere and don't feel like looking for it... The most important thing to get from the bible is not to love your neighbor but to love God. When Jesus was asked which commandment is most important He answered it pretty clearly.

Matthew 22:
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”


If you are loving God the way He intended you are doing the other.

[CF DolFan]

CF totally just explained why I don't believe there is a Hell.  You either end up with God or you don't.  Maybe we all end up with God regardless.

How does this explain there is no hell? The bible says there is. If you don't belive that then why believe any of it? It is either what it says it is or it isn't.

[StL FinFan]

I don't believe in the fire and brimstone punishment Hell.

[Dave Gray]

CF, you just gave me a long, drawn out question with bible quotes to a simple yes/no question.  I'll be more direct.  Do you believe that all non-Christians go to hell?

[badger6]

CF, you just gave me a long, drawn out question with bible quotes to a simple yes/no question.  I'll be more direct.  Do you believe that all non-Christians go to hell?

I don't. None of this stuff exists as far as I am concerned. It's just like the pet cat, when we die, that's it. Like Bill Paxton said in Aliens, "Game Over Man".

[CF DolFan]

CF, you just gave me a long, drawn out question with bible quotes to a simple yes/no question.  I'll be more direct.  Do you believe that all non-Christians go to hell?

!

I answered the question. The bible quotes were directed towards a different comment made in this thread. 

The question was Is that a fancy way of saying "hell"? If you want a simple yes and no I will say no. There is nothing fancy about it and I explained why.

If you want to know if I believe all non-Christians go to hell? The answer is yes.

On that note it seems that you are trying put me on trial with yes or no questions. The funny part is the question you wanted me to answer wasn't even the question you asked.   I was trying to be informative as to an actual Christian view. If you don't care and wish to believe all of the sterotypical rhetoric posted in this thread I certainly won't waste my time.

[Dolphster]

How is this any different than any other religion?

Bingo!  When I ready the first post, I thought the same thing to myself.  Substitute the word "religion" for "astrology" and the post still works.