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« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2011, 05:58:57 pm »

It isn't a single metric. passing yards is a single metric, tds is a single metric.  any/a incorporates all the important single metrics.

I understand what any/a is...and it is a single metric made up of a finite group of modifiers.

It isn't the end-all for statistics, and it makes a pretty tiresome crutch.

I pray our scouting department looks at more than any/a stats before choosing Miami's next QB, or we're summarily screwed.

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« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2011, 06:04:59 pm »

Which one of these quarterbacks would the dolphins be screwed with next year?  The only ones I wouldn't take over Henne (that have higher any/a) are kitna and kerry collins because of there age.  I also would prefer not to have donovan mcnabb.

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« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2011, 08:01:30 pm »

yea, because you guys were right on with your assessment of ronnie brown and chad henne.
I'm sorry, which player was it that you accurately evaluated as good?  Ricky?  He didn't exactly set the world on fire.

It's easy to sit back and say that the important skill position players suck.  If you're wrong, we probably won the Super Bowl, so no one cares.  If we didn't win, you get to play the "I told you so" card and blame it on the key players.

Tell us who you accurately predicted as successful (and please, no cop outs like "I told you Jake Long would be good," which virtually everyone agreed on).  Otherwise, your unconstructive pessimism is useless.  When nearly every person in the organization is a disappointment, throwing around "I can't believe you guys thought this bum was good, haha" insults works on everyone, including you.
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« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2011, 08:07:54 pm »

ricky was like 4.1 ypc this year and ronnie was like 3.7
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« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2011, 08:09:30 pm »

Ricky sucked.  He had more fumbles than R+R TDs.

Is your argument that he sucked less than Ronnie?

edit: I notice you are quick to go to one of the only statistics that makes Ricky look not-worse-than Ronnie.  Since you are such a champion of ANY/A, I hope you realize that using straight passing Y/A (like your citation of Ricky's rushing Y/A average), the list of top 10 QBs in the NFL includes such luminaries as David Garrard and Jon Kitna, and excludes scrubs like Peyton Manning and Drew Brees.
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« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2011, 08:45:01 pm »

The only ones I wouldn't take over Henne (that have higher any/a) are kitna and kerry collins because of there age.  I also would prefer not to have donovan mcnabb.
Which ones are available?
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« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2011, 10:40:58 am »

yea, because you guys were right on with your assessment of ronnie brown and chad henne.

What exactly has my position been since you seem to throw me in with everyone else? Just because I think your points are typically crap doesn't mean my position is what you think it is.
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« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2011, 01:35:12 pm »

I'm curious as to why you feel this way.  I'm not an expert on McNabb, but it seems at a quick glance that he's done everything he was supposed to in Washington, and hasn't caused a stink, despite getting treated poorly by the staff there.

To me things just didn't smell right with the Washington situation this year.  Why would you bring in McNabb then bench him at a critical point of a game?  Obviously, McNabb rubbed Shanahan the wrong way.  My impression was that Shanahan didn't think McNabb was giving 100%.  So, my feeling is if a guy isn't going to give a 110% then the Fins don't need this guy at this point.
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« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2011, 10:38:21 pm »

Thigpen should be the qb of the team next year.  He is good, and he is only 26.

I disagree.  I don't think he's a starting QB in this league. 
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« Reply #39 on: January 18, 2011, 10:41:54 pm »

I like how Thigpen is "only" 26, when 26 was too old when it was the age of John Beck. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #40 on: January 18, 2011, 11:22:55 pm »

I like how Thigpen is "only" 26, when 26 was too old when it was the age of John Beck. Roll Eyes
i think there is a big difference between a 26 year old who has been in the league 4 years and a 26 year old rookie.
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« Reply #41 on: January 18, 2011, 11:41:32 pm »

I'm sorry if this is a stupid question..but wtf is Any/A tepop?..I've only seen you reference it..
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« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2011, 12:32:31 am »

adjusted net yards per attempt

(pass yards + 20*(pass TD) - 45*(interceptions thrown) - sack yards)/(passing attempts + sacks)
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« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2011, 07:58:19 am »

(pass yards + 20*(pass TD) - 45*(interceptions thrown) - sack yards)/(passing attempts + sacks)

In terms of pure statistical value (i.e. contributing to a win), interceptions are being given too negative a weight. And I don't much like placing sack yards on the quarterback. At least not with that high a weight (same as passing yards). That might be their statistical contribution to the game outcome, but as a tool for quarterback evaluation, it seems like there's little to favor ANY/A over standard passer rating.
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« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2011, 08:18:35 am »

In terms of pure statistical value (i.e. contributing to a win), interceptions are being given too negative a weight. And I don't much like placing sack yards on the quarterback. At least not with that high a weight (same as passing yards). That might be their statistical contribution to the game outcome, but as a tool for quarterback evaluation, it seems like there's little to favor ANY/A over standard passer rating.

favoring qb rating over any/a. lol.  put on your casual fan hat please.
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