Padded Bras = False advertising = stupid girl

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Size doesn't matter if you know how to use it.

A girl in college had a bumper sticker on her dorm wall, "It isn't the size of the stick, but the magic in wand."

[Buddhagirl]

I'm gonna use you as an example here Badger, don't take it personally, has nothing to do with your personal thoughts on the subject.

So why is it ok for guys to believe that one or the other (large breasts or small breasts) are attractive and not women?  Why must a woman believe that no matter what size her breast she can be just as attractive?  Is a woman having small breasts and feeling unattractive and feeling that  she would be more attacticve with large breasts automatically a self-esteem problem?  Why?  It's not like that for guys.  Some guys like that.  Why can't some women like that too?  And if they happen to be small, why not make them bigger and feel more attractive?  I don't see the problem.

If a woman finds larger breasts attractive, she should date a chick with large breasts!

[StL FinFan]

I'm gonna use you as an example here Badger, don't take it personally, has nothing to do with your personal thoughts on the subject.

So why is it ok for guys to believe that one or the other (large breasts or small breasts) are attractive and not women?  Why must a woman believe that no matter what size her breast she can be just as attractive?  Is a woman having small breasts and feeling unattractive and feeling that  she would be more attacticve with large breasts automatically a self-esteem problem?  Why?  It's not like that for guys.  Some guys like that.  Why can't some women like that too?  And if they happen to be small, why not make them bigger and feel more attractive?  I don't see the problem.

If you feel unattractive due to your breast size, that is lack of self esteem.  Self esteem is being comfortable in your own skin.  If it makes you happy and feel better about yourself to do it, then by all means go ahead, but don't expect it to change your life.

[Pappy13]

If you feel unattractive due to your breast size, that is lack of self esteem.  Self esteem is being comfortable in your own skin.  If it makes you happy and feel better about yourself to do it, then by all means go ahead, but don't expect it to change your life.

So is having a procedure to correct male pattern baldness just a lack of self esteem? How about getting braces? Dyeing your hair? Using a tanning booth or laying out in the sun?  Painting your fingernails?  Jewelry?  Make-up?  Designer jeans?  Plucking your eyebrows?  Whitening your teeth?  Curling your hair or getting a perm?

Aren't these ALL essentially the same thing, merely changing our appearance to make ourselves feel more attractive? 

So basically ALL of us have low self esteem, not just the girl who wants a boob job.

[StL FinFan]

So is having a procedure to correct male pattern baldness just a lack of self esteem? How about getting braces? Dyeing your hair? Using a tanning booth or laying out in the sun?  Painting your fingernails?  Jewelry?  Make-up?  Designer jeans?
Aren't these ALL essentially the same thing, merely changing our appearance to make ourselves feel more attractive? 
So basically ALL of us have low self esteem, not just the girl who wants a boob job.

Pretty much.  I rarely wear jewelry or makeup.  I could care less about designer clothing.  Tanning = skin cancer.  I believe that straightening teeth is not entirely cosmetic, but whitening is.  I do lighten my hair because it has gotten darker with age.  A lot of it is due to advertising and television, making us think that we need to live up to some ideal of attractive.  I am not saying everyone needs to be in therapy, but no one likes every aspect of themselves.  You have to go to more extremes to change some things.  I don't think we are understanding each other at all here, so I will just stop now.

[Pappy13]

no one likes every aspect of themselves.

There ya go.

[StL FinFan]

^ Then can you agree that if you are so self conscience about your breasts that you leave your shirt on during sex that you have a pretty big issue?

[Pappy13]

^ Then can you agree that if you are so self conscience about your breasts that you leave your shirt on during sex that you have a pretty big issue?

Yes.

[badger6]

I'm gonna use you as an example here Badger, don't take it personally, has nothing to do with your personal thoughts on the subject.

So why is it ok for guys to believe that one or the other (large breasts or small breasts) are attractive and not women?  Why must a woman believe that no matter what size her breast she can be just as attractive?  Is a woman having small breasts and feeling unattractive and feeling that  she would be more attacticve with large breasts automatically a self-esteem problem?  Why?  It's not like that for guys.  Some guys like that.  Why can't some women like that too?  And if they happen to be small, why not make them bigger and feel more attractive?  I don't see the problem.

I may like A or B cups better. But that is my opinion of what I find attractive in some one else of the opposite sex. It seems different when you judge yourself like that.

If a woman finds larger breasts attractive, she should date a chick with large breasts!

That's what I'm talkin' bout. And bring the B cup girl too, I'm buying the drinks !!!

^ Then can you agree that if you are so self conscience about your breasts that you leave your shirt on during sex that you have a pretty big issue?

That would get old quick. After a couple times, either the shirt would have to go, or the crazy chick would have to go. Just sayin'

[Dave Gray]

I have no problem, within reason, of procedures, be they braces or a nose job, to make you feel better about your appearance.

I think Pappy is right with his comparisons.

I think that either end of the spectrum is bad.  There are people who don't care what they look like to the point where they don't take care of their skin, bad hair, etc  -- they look bedraggled.  But there are also people who will never be happy with how they look, regardless of how many procedures they have.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

So is having a procedure to correct male pattern baldness just a lack of self esteem? How about getting braces? Dyeing your hair? Using a tanning booth or laying out in the sun?  Painting your fingernails?  Jewelry?  Make-up?  Designer jeans?  Plucking your eyebrows?  Whitening your teeth?  Curling your hair or getting a perm?

Aren't these ALL essentially the same thing, merely changing our appearance to make ourselves feel more attractive? 

So basically ALL of us have low self esteem, not just the girl who wants a boob job.

To some extent I agree with your point.  But I would say some are more significant than others.  Subjecting your self the risk of sun cancer (tanning) or getting breast implants when ever night on the news they are talking about another study about their problems or news of another lawsuit is a bit different than using a curling iron. 

Plus there plenty of women for whom I have seen both with their makeup and without their makeup.  While I may be wrong, I doubt there was a single girl in my coed dorm who put on mascara at 4 am before walking down the hall to take a pee to avoid the possibility of a mortifying experience of someone knowing what she looked like without makeup.  No these girls wore makeup when they were going out on Friday night.  But let everyone see them in their natural state without embarrassment at Saturday morning brunch.   Likewise some of them may have worn a cleavage enhancing device on Friday night but then not the following morning. 

So I don't think it is a self esteem problem if you put on makeup for a date or for work etc.  But I would say a women who won't open the front door to get the morning newspaper without putting her makeup on first has a problem. 

[Buddhagirl]

I may like A or B cups better. But that is my opinion of what I find attractive in some one else of the opposite sex. It seems different when you judge yourself like that.

That's my point. At some point you just get over it and love your body. (Honestly, I didn't do this until I filled out a bit and realized that men do not care as long as they have a hot, nude chick in their presence. Boobs in your face, are boobs in your face regardless of the size.)

I'm super petite. Have always been. We're talking size 2 on a good day but usually wear the infamous size 0. Not because I starve myself. I'm tiny.
Why would anyone expect my boobs to be large? While I'm curvy - but tiny - anything over a B cup would be really large on me.  I just find the expectation for all women to have big boobs unrealistic.

With that said, if a woman wants a boob job I don't care. Boobs are fun. Yay Boobs! But, I'm not going to let them rule my world.

[Frimp]

I personally prefer a-b cups as well. My first wife was a barely a B. But for some reason, every other long term relationship I've had since was with c-d cups. lol

As for Hoodie's question, I think I would probably get tired of the games like the other guys she dated before him. I also wouldn't go for the pants if I was shot down at the shirt.

[badger6]

That's my point. At some point you just get over it and love your body. (Honestly, I didn't do this until I filled out a bit and realized that men do not care as long as they have a hot, nude chick in their presence. Boobs in your face, are boobs in your face regardless of the size.)

I'm super petite. Have always been. We're talking size 2 on a good day but usually wear the infamous size 0. Not because I starve myself. I'm tiny.
Why would anyone expect my boobs to be large? While I'm curvy - but tiny - anything over a B cup would be really large on me.  I just find the expectation for all women to have big boobs unrealistic.

With that said, if a woman wants a boob job I don't care. Boobs are fun. Yay Boobs! But, I'm not going to let them rule my world.

Of course don't let them rule your world. That's my job !!!!

[Frimp]

Oh boy. This should be entertaining.