Worst of the career-leaders: Receiving Yards

[Sunstroke]

I didn't say that McDuffie was better than Chambers, I said I'd rather have McDuffie than Chambers.

Until Tepop posts the any/a stats for those two receivers, how could we possibly expect to know which one is better?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I didn't say that McDuffie was better than Chambers, I said I'd rather have McDuffie than Chambers.

Chambers was a physical specimin.  His jumping ability made him play larger and faster than his size.  However he used about 90% of his ability.  He could have and should have been even better than he was.

Chambers is a poor man's Randy Moss.  One one play he could make a one handed acrobat catch in which you go "how the fuck did he do that?" and then miss a catch an easy one any kid in pee wee could make cause he was being lazy piece of shit that makes you go, "why fuck did he do that?"  

Personally I have a lot more respect for guys like Welker, McDuffie and Carmelo than Moss and Chambers.  

[Pappy13]

mcduffie wasn't good enough to start, and that is a knock on chambers?

I'm not knocking Chambers.  The fact is that McDuffie was hurt at the end of his career and he was playing behind Irving Fryer and Mark Ingram at the beginning of his career.  That's not a knock on McDuffie either.

he probably didn't have more yardage per start, unless you want to add all the yardage that he accumulated in non starts and include it.

Go for it.  It's gonna be darn close.  Not worth the effort in my humble opinion.

let's also gloss over the fact of dan marino vs. jay fiedler throwing the ball, and of course chambers 355 yards rushing.

So lets gloss over the fact that Marino also had Irving Fryer, Keith Jackson, Mark Ingram, Oronde Gadsden and Tony Martin to throw the ball to besides OJ.  Chambers played with Gadsden 1 year and then with Marty Booker and Randy McMichael.  Chambers was the primary target for most of his career because there wasn't much else to choose from.  McDuffie had a lot of good competition for most of his career.  That evened things out.

Now lets look at playoff stats.  McDuffie has the following.

GMS  REC  Yards  AVG  TD's
10     50    603    12.1  1

That's an average of 5 catches a game for 60 yards in playoff games. Chambers has zip in a Dolphins uniform.  Perhaps you are right.  Perhaps I'm being too tough on Chambers especially when it comes to his performance in big games, he never played in one with the Dolphins.

You're not gonna convince me Tepop and based on the voting you're not gonna convince many here either.

[tepop84]

Chambers never played in a playoff game in miami. lol at saying he is terrible because he has 0 playoff receptions. (in 5 games with sd in postseason, chambers had 24 rec, 407 yards (16.6 y/r)and  1 td.

Chambers being the only receiving threat, meant he got the best defensive players on him.  mcduffie was good enough to only start 16 games in 4 of his 8 seasons. 

mcduffie was the 25th pick of the draft, chambers was 52.  chambers is the better player, and mcduffie seems to be a fan favorite even he wasn't really very good.

[Pappy13]

Chambers never played in a playoff game in miami. lol at saying he is terrible because he has 0 playoff receptions. (in 5 games with sd in postseason, chambers had 24 rec, 407 yards (16.6 y/r)and  1 td.

Well that's great for San Diego, but it doesn't do much for Miami and since I'm only comparing McDuffie to Chambers as a Dolphin, it doesn't help him.  I'll grant you that Dolphins fans probably have a different opinion of both players which probably explains why you like Chambers more than McDuffie.

Chambers being the only receiving threat, meant he got the best defensive players on him.  mcduffie was good enough to only start 16 games in 4 of his 8 seasons.

Chambers was only good enough to start 16 games in 3 of his 7 seasons with the Dolphins and 3 of 12 overall.

mcduffie was the 25th pick of the draft, chambers was 52. 

Which is completely irrelevant to this discussion.

chambers is the better player, and mcduffie seems to be a fan favorite even he wasn't really very good.

Now you got it.  Dolphins fans like McDuffie better.  You like Chambers better.  What's that say about you?

You're not fooling anyone Tepop.  You're not a Dolphins fan.

[tepop84]

Well that's great for San Diego, but it doesn't do much for Miami and since I'm only comparing McDuffie to Chambers as a Dolphin, it doesn't help him.  I'll grant you that Dolphins fans probably have a different opinion of both players which probably explains why you like Chambers more than McDuffie.
Chambers was only good enough to start 16 games in 3 of his 7 seasons with the Dolphins and 3 of 12 overall.
Which is completely irrelevant to this discussion.
Now you got it.  Dolphins fans like McDuffie better.  You like Chambers better.  What's that say about you?

You're not fooling anyone Tepop.  You're not a Dolphins fan.

chambers started 16 in only 3 out of 6 full seasons he was here, and 15 in 2 others.

if you want to blame chambers for not having any postseason success and labeling him a choker who didn't show up in any big games, when he didn't play any postseason games for the dolphins is silly.

chambers was a much better receiver than mcduffie. that is the answer to the question posed in the op.  its great that you seen to have a thing for mcduffie, and if the question was which of these 5 receivers do you like least, then your answer of chambers would actually be correct.

[Pappy13]

if you want to blame chambers for not having any postseason success and labeling him a choker who didn't show up in any big games, when he didn't play any postseason games for the dolphins is silly.

I already admitted I was being too hard on him in that respect.  He never played in a big game for the Dolphins, so I'll never know how good or bad he could have been in big games for Miami.  McDuffie on the other hand played in 10 playoff games for the Dolphins and had a 118 yard game and a 154 yard game for them.
 

chambers was a much better receiver than mcduffie. that is the answer to the question posed in the op.

Actually it wasn't.  The question was who was the worst.  That can be interpreted in a lot of ways.

its great that you seen to have a thing for mcduffie, and if the question was which of these 5 receivers do you like least, then your answer of chambers would actually be correct.

It's nice that you have a thing for Chambers and if the question was which of these 5 receivers played the best for San Diego, then my answer of Chambers would be correct as well.  It wouldn't be relative to the discussion though.

I liked Chris Chambers plenty at times.  He also drove me crazy at times.  That seems to be a pretty common theme among the voters and it influenced the choice.  Sorry.  Didn't mean to ruffle your feathers.

Like Sunstroke said, If only we had ANY/A for WR's, that would end the discussion right now.

[masterfins]

As with most of these "worst" polls what you choose to use as criteria skews how you vote.  When I picked the worst I thought about the players that surrounded them when they played, and which player I would rather have playing for the Fins tomorrow if they were starting out.  Therefore, I opt for OJ as the "worst" of the best.  I'm a bit surprised at all the hate for Chambers, IMO he was one of the few bright spots on the Fins the years he played for them.

[Spider-Dan]

Tepop,

What are the statistics on number of dropped balls by those two receivers, and what are the statistics on number of first downs gained?

I think the answers to those two questions will explain the preference for McDuffie over Chambers.

[tepop84]

Tepop,

What are the statistics on number of dropped balls by those two receivers, and what are the statistics on number of first downs gained?

I think the answers to those two questions will explain the preference for McDuffie over Chambers.

I couldn't find any statistic with regard to first down or drops. I did see that Mcduffie had 19 fumbles compared to Chambers 11 while starting almost a season less worth of games.

[Spider-Dan]

That's true.  It's also true that McDuffie had 415 receptions to Chambers' 405 in the same time frame, and that McDuffie had a higher yds/start average (65.05) than Chambers (63.20).

Oh, and McDuffie handled KR/PR duties for the vast majority of the games he played as a Dolphin, while Chambers returned kickoffs only, and even that was limited to his first season.  During the seasons where McDuffie returned 20 or more kicks or punts, he averaged 0.27 fumbles per game; during the seasons where he did not, he averaged 0.038 fumbles per game.  So that might have something to do with it.

[tepop84]

That's true.  It's also true that McDuffie had 415 receptions to Chambers' 405 in the same time frame, and that McDuffie had a higher yds/start average (65.05) than Chambers (63.20).

the stat has no bearing on anything.  you are including non starts stats for both players and dividing them by the number of starts.

[Spider-Dan]

the stat has no bearing on anything.  you are including non starts stats for both players and dividing them by the number of starts.

You mean like you just did for fumbles?

You chose to use the "starts" statistic (instead of "games") when it served your purposes.  If you want to use starts, fine.  But don't complain when I use it too.

For the record: the reason why I didn't use "starts" when comparing fumble averages is because McDuffie had 4 fumbles in a year where he had 0 starts (but 60 returns), which would give him a fumble/start average of infinity for that season.  That indicates a flaw to me.

[Pappy13]

the stat has no bearing on anything.  you are including non starts stats for both players and dividing them by the number of starts.

It doesn't change things that much.

Here are the stats for starts ONLY while with the Dolphins.

Player     Starts REC YARDS TDS REC/St YDS/St TDS/St
---------  ------ --- ----- --- ------ ------ ------
McDuffie       78 347 4,302  26   4.45  55.15   0.33
Chambers       90 371 5,147  39   4.12  57.19   0.43


McDuffie fumbled 6 times while receiving the ball and Chambers fumbled 5 times.  13 of McDuffie's fumbles came on Kick or Punt returns and 5 of Chambers fumbles came on runs or kick returns.

[BigDaddyFin]

Another reciever.  It has to be Ted Ginn and or Yatil Green.   Of the guys on that list, even Chambers still had a pro-bowl year.