Parcells: Maybe should have taken Ryan over Long in 2008

[Spider-Dan]

I still don't understand why Matt Ryan's name is even being mentioned.  Joe Flacco has been better.  This is like going back in time to the 2000 draft so you can get Marc Bulger; if you're going to dream, why not dream big and get Brady?

[Pappy13]

And its all Matt Ryan?  Nothing to do with Michael Turner or Roddy White or any of the horses on defense?  Right...

Aren't you aware of the fact that all wins AND losses can be correlated directly back to the QB? We call it the MikeO postulate around here.

[Thundergod]

Remember the non-stop revolving door we've had at LT pretty much since Mark Dixon retired?

How about the non-stop revolving door at QB we still have? I'm with Mike (and Parcells, apparently), Ryan over Long.

[Sunstroke]

I'm of the belief that the only way that Matt Ryan would have fulfilled the same development curve in Miami that he did in Atlanta is if Miami drafted Matt instead of Long, but then found a great OT in the next round to protect him. Without a quality O-line, even good QBs can look pretty weak.

[Phishfan]

I still don't understand why Matt Ryan's name is even being mentioned.  Joe Flacco has been better.  This is like going back in time to the 2000 draft so you can get Marc Bulger; if you're going to dream, why not dream big and get Brady?

I don't know that there has been that much of a difference looking at them stat wise. You make it sound as if it is a landslide.

[MikeO]

And its all Matt Ryan?  Nothing to do with Michael Turner or Roddy White or any of the horses on defense?  Right...

He is the QB. So yeah he is a big part of it 

Once again, NAME THE TEAM in this league that wins big with poor QB play? You can't!!!  Being a #1 seed in the NFC and only losing 3 or 4 home games over 3 seasons is winning big on some level. Nobody is saying the guy is Montanta or Unitas but he is a top NFL QB in the year 2011 and going forward

[BigDaddyFin]

How about the non-stop revolving door at QB we still have? I'm with Mike (and Parcells, apparently), Ryan over Long.

It would be worse, much worse without Jake Long.  Ryan would have been synonymous with David Klingler had we drafted him.  I don't even think Flacco is that big a deal.  And how much of that is related to not only bad decision making by other management (I'm looking at you, Daunte Culpepper, and you, AJ Feeley). 

In this case Thunder, I have to respectfully disagree. 

[MikeO]

It would be worse, much worse without Jake Long.  Ryan would have been synonymous with David Klingler had we drafted him.  I don't even think Flacco is that big a deal.  And how much of that is related to not only bad decision making by other management (I'm looking at you, Daunte Culpepper, and you, AJ Feeley). 

In this case Thunder, I have to respectfully disagree. 

Flacco and Ryan aren't big deals. They are only in the playoffs damn near every year. 

Are you kidding me?

[BigDaddyFin]

No, I'm as serious as a heart attack.  On this much we agree.  The Dolphins need better quarterback play.

If you want to go and be envious of losing in the first or second round of the playoffs every year, that's fine.  Neither Flacco nor Ryan would come to this team overnight and give you that.  I'd rather we became a dominant football team and restored ourselves as a flagship franchise in the NFL.  Dominant teams find themselves in championship games every year or every other year. 

We have issues at nearly every position on the offensive side of the football except offensive tackle, including the coordinator. 

Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco aren't going to go batshit on a defense and give you 40 points.  I doubt seriously that you will see either one throw 5 td passes in a game or throw for 400 yards.   If either one were playing in Cleveland, your envy of them would die pretty quick.  They're average quarterbacks on teams with solid defenses and good running attacks.  No more, no less.

Chad Henne doesn't have to be a hall of fame QB for us to be a dominant football team.  But the offense has to get a lot better than it is before we even know what's broken.  Drafting high round qb's every year is not going to solve that problem unless you get lucky and find another Marino/Elway/Unitas, and even then how much good will it do?  You saw Marino struggle at the end with shitty play calling, bad recievers and an anemic running game.  Now you want to go back to it with some rookie QB because you're envious of Baltimore's and Atlanta's playoff runs?  Please think this through.

[masterfins]

^^^ Couldn't agree with you more (except for the part that the Fins could be a dominate team with Henne, only true if he improves greatly).  So many problems on offense last year that it will take two good years to fix, and QB wasn't the place to start this year.

[MikeO]

^^^ Couldn't agree with you more (except for the part that the Fins could be a dominate team with Henne, only true if he improves greatly).  So many problems on offense last year that it will take two good years to fix, and QB wasn't the place to start this year.

can't fix an offense until you get a QB. Getting a QB is the 1st step in fixing an offense. He can hide weaknesses elsewhere and make up for a lot. A good QB makes players around him better.

[fyo]

can't fix an offense until you get a QB. Getting a QB is the 1st step in fixing an offense. He can hide weaknesses elsewhere and make up for a lot. A good QB makes players around him better.

I disagree that it's the first step. You can kill a great quarterback if you put him behind a pathetic O-line.

[MikeO]

I disagree that it's the first step. You can kill a great quarterback if you put him behind a pathetic O-line.

our o-line isn't pathetic 

Even last year it wasn't great but it wasn't pathetic. It was very average

[Spider-Dan]

Once again, NAME THE TEAM in this league that wins big with poor QB play? You can't!!!

MikeO, we already did name the team in this league that has won with poor QB play (NYJ) and your immediate response was something to the effect of, "He can't be playing poorly, because they are winning!"

Why bother asking questions based on circular logic?  According to you, if they are winning, that makes the QB good, so it's literally impossible for a winning team to have a poor QB because winning is how you (MikeO) determine the quality of the QB.

But hey, you want another example?  Fine:  Chicago.  Jay Cutler's league rank:

Passer rating- 16th
Passing yards- 17th
Comp. %- 19th
TDs- 14th
INTs- 8th (as in 8th worst)
ANY/A- 21st

This is good QB play?  Oh, wait...

Wins- 10 (t-4th)

Must be good QB play, then!

[MikeO]

MikeO, we already did name the team in this league that has won with poor QB play (NYJ) and your immediate response was something to the effect of, "He can't be playing poorly, because they are winning!"
 

Please Marc Sanchez has 4 road playoff wins in 2 years. Miami doesn't have 4 road playoff wins since 1973!!!  The kid must be doing something right. If you think Marc Sanchez is a poor QB you are fooling yourself.  We all hate the jets but lets have an honest discussion, Sanchez doesn't stink and isn't poor!