Parcells: Maybe should have taken Ryan over Long in 2008

[Spider-Dan]

Sanchez is at or below league average in any statistic not named "wins".

You cannot cite wins as an attribute that causes winning.  That's why it's called circular logic.

[BigDaddyFin]

^^^^ another example of a QB with good recievers, a good running game and an above average defense.

If Marshall Bess and Hartline have good years, and the running game improves, and the Defense plays as well as they did last year, I'm pretty sure you'll see a lot less bitching about Chad Henne.

[Spider-Dan]

MikeO, we already did name the team in this league that has won with poor QB play (NYJ) and your immediate response was something to the effect of, "He can't be playing poorly, because they are winning!"

Please Marc Sanchez has 4 road playoff wins in 2 years.

So to recap:

I object to your characterization of winning as the sole evaluator of "good QB play".
You respond by citing Sanchez' wins.

The more things change...

[MikeO]

If Marshall Bess and Hartline have good years, and the running game improves, and the Defense plays as well as they did last year, I'm pretty sure you'll see a lot less bitching about Chad Henne.

Not if he consistently throws the ball to the other team. That has nothing to do with defense or running game. Throwing the ball to the wrong team is all on the QB

[MikeO]

So to recap:

I object to your characterization of winning as the sole evaluator of "good QB play".
You respond by citing Sanchez' wins.

The more things change...

And all you do is follow me around from thread to thread from forum to forum looking to pick a message board fight...

THE MORE THINGS CHANGE...

[Spider-Dan]

Stop making ridiculous statements and I'll stop having to correct them...?

[BigDaddyFin]

Not if he consistently throws the ball to the other team. That has nothing to do with defense or running game. Throwing the ball to the wrong team is all on the QB

You can't make that statement AND claim Mark Sanchez is a good quarterback.   

And if it's all on the quarterback, how do you account for tipped balls, recievers running the wrong routes and throws where the QB's arm gets hit?  It's fine if you put them in the shit happens category, but you have to now clarify please.

[Spider-Dan]

BigDaddyFin, that's an outstanding point.

MikeO, you've complained about "throwing balls to the other team," but in the 2010 season, Henne threw 20 balls to the other team (19 were caught), while Sanchez threw 28 balls to the other team (13 were caught).

Does throwing the ball to the other team only count if you get an L?

[MikeO]

BigDaddyFin, that's an outstanding point.

MikeO, you've complained about "throwing balls to the other team," but in the 2010 season, Henne threw 20 balls to the other team (19 were caught), while Sanchez threw 28 balls to the other team (13 were caught).

Does throwing the ball to the other team only count if you get an L?

Your argument is so foolish on so many levels its not even worth addressing. Comparing a QB who has been to back to back AFC Championship games to a QB who lost home games to Buffalo, Cleveland, and Detroit with the season on the line.  You know how silly you sound. Henne threw 6 more INT's and you are spinning that in a positive way over Sanchez? One guy leads his team to victory week in and week out and in the playoffs and in January and you want the guy who can't beat bottom feeder NFL teams at home in December

Live in the fantasy world you are in. I will live in reality.

[MikeO]

Stop making ridiculous statements and I'll stop having to correct them...?

With your Gates will suck because Ginn sucked since they both have speed. You are the KING OF THE FOOLISH STATEMENTS!!

[BigDaddyFin]

^^^^

Sanchez sucks.  Isn't he the one who threw 4 interceptions with a trip to the Superbowl on the line last year?  He's been to two championship games and choked his ass off both times.   He also went through a massive dry spell in the middle of the season.  If the Jets HAD a decent quarterback, they might have made a superbowl appearance.   

And he has better recievers, and he has a better running game, and he has an offensive coordinator who was born after God invented water.  So here's Sanchez with all these things going for him, and he still consistantly throws the ball to the other team.  In playoff games. 

Does it matter if it's in the last few games of the season or in the AFC championship game?  Both Sanchez and Henne were still watching Aaron Rodgers celebrate at the end of the year. 


Really MikeO, you must learn to put your football envy aside.  It's clouding your judgement.  The guys you're comparing Henne to aren't any better except for they're on better teams.  You claim to know NFL football inside and out.  What exactly are your credentials?   To be fair I'll give you mine. The reason I know what I know is because I played at a collegiate level.  I called about half the plays for our JV college team for shits and giggles on Sundays.  I've also created an entire NFL playbook from the ground up, including terminology.  I studied for three years what coaches look for when formulating offenses and defenses and look for those qualities in Dolphin players.   I also know by body language when a quarterback is mentally weak (ahem Jay Cutler ahem), or when a team quits on a coach (ahem choke Jimmy Johnson choke choke).

I also know when a coach isn't cut out for the job (ahem Charlie Weis), isn't making proper adjustments (Paul Pasqualoni) or feeding you a bullshit line (Bill Parcells blaming a playoff loss on a chart that doesn't exist).

[Spider-Dan]

Your argument is so foolish on so many levels its not even worth addressing. Comparing a QB who has been to back to back AFC Championship games to a QB who lost home games to Buffalo, Cleveland, and Detroit with the season on the line.  You know how silly you sound. Henne threw 6 more INT's and you are spinning that in a positive way over Sanchez? One guy leads his team to victory week in and week out and in the playoffs and in January and you want the guy who can't beat bottom feeder NFL teams at home in December

Shorter version:

Who wins games in the NFL?  Teams who have a good QB.
How do you know if you have a good QB?  Why, if you're winning, of course.

You're making a statement that is impossible to disprove (because of its tautological nature).  It carries zero informational value.