NO Palmer or Young to Miami according to Mort

[masterfins]

^^^The way college football works Luck could turn into a third round draft pick by the time the draft rolls around next year.

[Spider-Dan]

instead we just waste high draft picks on Pat White and Patrick Turner and Chad Henne's. Guys that can't do anything.

So the solution to recurring misses on high draft picks is... to have even less of them?

Chicago got rid of Orton cause they got Cutler who they viewed as Better. Fine, nobody claimed Orton was a top flight guy, but his numbers in Denver have proven he is very very good.

...which is why Denver is trying to replace him with anybody they can find?

And Kolb got injured with a concussion WEEK 1 and never got his job back because Vick was so great.

Once again, you are flat-out wrong.

It is true that Kolb lost his job to injury and Vick's play kept him in the starter's role.  For two weeks.

Vick got injured in week 4 and Kolb started week 5, 6, and 7 (week 8 was a bye).  When week 9 rolled around, it was Kolb's play (not his earlier injury) that got him sent back to the bench so Vick could start again.

[Dave Gray]

Add me to the list of those who thinks it's a terrible idea to spend picks on a player that another team is trying to dish.  That so seldom works out.  Sure, there are a few success stories, but more often than not, if the guy was good in the first place, the team wouldn't be unloading him.

[Pappy13]

...which is why Denver is trying to replace him with anybody they can find?

I'm not in love with Orton either, but the fact is that we need someone to compete with Henne. Thigpen doesn't appear to be it. Orton actually fits the mold of QB for a run oriented team. He isn't ever gonna be great, but he might be able to manage a game and limit mistakes. Could he put together a season somewhat like Pennington did a couple years ago? Maybe. Maybe Henne can too and maybe Orton can teach Henne a thing or two or be a second set of eyes for Henne off the field. On top of that, he probably won't cost us a 2nd round pick like some of the others will. I think he's the smart choice for a veteran QB for various reasons, not necessarily the best QB of what's out there and we need a veteran QB.

[dolfan13]

unfortunately right now for the dolphins, other teams castoffs at qb are better than their starting qb. some that will/might be available are significant upgrades.

[Spider-Dan]

Here's the problem:

Orton's ceiling is Pennington-without-injury.  Pennington's (healthy) ceiling was the same as Jay Fiedler's.

If you want to return to the days of second-round playoff exits (AND ONLY THAT), Orton is a great choice.  He will never been good enough to win anything of significance.

Personally, I'd rather take a shot on a talented QB that can actually win, rather than going with the annual playoff appearance and early exit.

[bsfins]

Add me to the list of those who thinks it's a terrible idea to spend picks on a player that another team is trying to dish.  That so seldom works out.  Sure, there are a few success stories, but more often than not, if the guy was good in the first place, the team wouldn't be unloading him.

Add me to those thoughts....I'd add especially from a front office/coaching staff playing for their jobs....

[Pappy13]

If you want to return to the days of second-round playoff exits (AND ONLY THAT), Orton is a great choice.  He will never been good enough to win anything of significance.

I'd take that in 2011. It's a building block. You got to be able to walk before you can run. We can worry about going further next draft/free agency period. Does anyone really believe no matter who the QB is this team is better than a wild card team this year?

[Spider-Dan]

I'd take that in 2011. It's a building block. You got to be able to walk before you can run. We can worry about going further next draft/free agency period. Does anyone really believe no matter who the QB is this team is better than a wild card team this year?

Um, I do.  With a quality QB, this team should be upper-echelon.  The defense is already top 10 (maybe top 5 with W.Allen back), we have a good WR core, a good OL, and we just drafted the #2 college rusher in the nation.

[dolfan13]

^^^ i think they could possibly make some real noise too with a big upgrade at the qb position.

orton would do that, palmer could as well... i also think that with some proper direction, vince young could be that upgrade also.

[Pappy13]

Um, I do.  With a quality QB, this team should be upper-echelon.  The defense is already top 10 (maybe top 5 with W.Allen back), we have a good WR core, a good OL, and we just drafted the #2 college rusher in the nation.

Pie in the sky.  

Yeah, if EVERYTHING falls Miami's way, they COULD be upper echelon. The problem is in the NFL it NEVER goes all your way.  Injuries. players not performing up to expectations, unlucky bounces, poor officiating, poor coaching, ETC. The best teams are always the ones that DESPITE things going wrong are the best, not the teams that are the best when everything goes right.

[Spider-Dan]

Yeah, if EVERYTHING falls Miami's way, they COULD be upper echelon. The problem is in the NFL it NEVER goes all your way.  Injuries. players not performing up to expectations, unlucky bounces, poor officiating, poor coaching, ETC. The best teams are always the ones that DESPITE things going wrong are the best, not the teams that are the best when everything goes right.

What are you talking about?  I'm not saying if EVERYTHING goes Miami's way; I'm saying if we don't have any major injuries (which can sink any good team) and we don't lead the league in dropped-INTs-on-defense or not-dropped-INTs on offense.  In short, if we have average luck instead of the worst luck, with a good QB we would be in serious contention, taking into account only the players we already have (at non-QB positions).

Kyle Orton is good enough to get the Dolphins to a second-round playoff exit.  To get beyond that, we would either need a better QB or some sort of major Hall-of-Fame-level talent infusion on defense or at RB.  So since we're going to need a QB better than Orton anyway, why not skip the middleman?

[Spider-Dan]

One more thing:

Pappy13, you say it's pie-in-the-sky that this team could be anything more than a wild card, no matter the QB.

Acquiring any of the following QBs would instantly make Miami the favorites to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl:

P. Manning
Brady
Brees
Rodgers

Acquiring one of the following quarterbacks would make Miami the favorite to win the division:

Big Ben
Rivers
M. Ryan
Vick

Let's not pretend that the team is incredibly far away.

[dolfan13]

why not skip the middleman?

it's gonna take 3-4 years to develop another qb you draft next year. might as well bring in a solid veteran now to give you that bridge over to the future at the position. it's turning out to be a relatively good year to be in the market for a solid veteran staring qb. all of them that will be available are better than henne right now.

[Spider-Dan]

it's gonna take 3-4 years to develop another qb you draft next year. might as well bring in a solid veteran now to give you that bridge over to the future at the position.

Fine, but not if bringing in that veteran worsens your ability to get a good QB next year.

I'm all for bringing in a veteran to compete with Henne.  If we could sign Orton as a free agent, go nuts!  But I am not willing to reduce our chances of drafting a good QB next year so we can trade for someone else's refuse this year.