Boston the best sports city of all time?

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

So I have a question:

When comparing "the best sports city of all time," how many Stanley Cups is an NBA Finals worth?

From 1977-1986 (an actual 10-year-span, not 11 like 2001-2011), NY won 3 World Series, 1 Super Bowl, and 4 Stanley Cups.

Really, this thread could be titled "New York has has bad basketball teams for a long time" and left as is

The difference is that in one decade all four major sports teams won their respective championship.

In that span not all the sports fans got to celebrate.   

Every sport, every team.    Jets fans didn't celebrate the Superbowl. 

[Spider-Dan]

So wait... if you have more than one team per sport, then every team has to win at least once so that all the fans (in that city) get to celebrate, in order for it to "count"?

Using that logic, if a city like Green Bay, Edmonton, or San Antonio wins, and they have no other team, that's just as good as what Boston has done!  Every fan in that city celebrated.

I still think it's rather absurd that we're talking about the best sports city OF ALL TIME with "all time" being reduced to "any single 11-year window."  The best sports city OF ALL TIME (if you're going by winning) is NY by a long shot.

[Sunstroke]

Boston probably is the most title-winning city in the USA in the history of recorded sports results. I'll give them that.

Too many of their fans are still very high on the douche-o-meter though...

[jtex316]

Let's break this down, city by city:

Time Frame: January 1, 2000 - Today

City | SB Appearances | SB Wins | NBA Finals | NBA Titles | World Series | World Series Championships | Stanley Cups | Stanley Cup Trophies | Total

Boston: 4 + 3 + 2 + 1 + 2 + 2 + 1 + 1 = 16
Los Angeles: 0 + 0 + 7 + 5 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 12
New York: 2 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 5 + 2 + 0 + 0 = 10
Detroit: 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 0 + 3 + 2 = 9
Pittsburgh: 3 + 2 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 = 8
Philadelphia: 1 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 0 = 6
San Antonio: 0 + 0 + 3 + 3 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 6
Chicago: 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 5
Miami: 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 0 + 0 = 5
Tampa: 1 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 1 + 1 = 5
Charlotte: 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 = 4
St. Louis: 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 + 0 + 0 = 4
Dallas: 0 + 0 + 2 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 = 3
Indianapolis: 2 + 1 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 3
Denver: 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 1 + 1 = 3
New Orleans: 1 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 2
Phoenix: 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 1 + 0 + 0 = 2
San Francisco: 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 1 + 0 + 0 = 2
Green Bay: 1 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 2
Baltimore: 1 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 2
Seattle: 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 1
Houston: 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 1 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 1
Atlanta: 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Cleveland: 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Minneapolis: 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Buffalo: 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Cincinnati: 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
Washington, D.C.: 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0
San Diego: 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 + 0 = 0

* Note: New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles totals count for all sports teams of all 4 major sports cities (e.g. Los Angeles includes the Lakers and the Clippers - not that it fucking matters in that example).

** Note: Championship rounds and titles won in the year 2000 for seasons starting in 1999 count (e.g. Dallas Stars = appeared in the Stanley Cup in the year 2000, even though the season started in 1999).

*** Note: Fuck Cleveland.

[Spider-Dan]

Boston probably is the most title-winning city in the USA in the history of recorded sports results. I'll give them that.

Boston has 34 titles across MLB, NFL, NBA, and NHL.
New York has 33 35 titles in MLB alone.

It is not close.

[Spider-Dan]

Let's break this down, city by city:

Time Frame: January 1, 2000 - Today

Boston is the best sports city of all time!

...since 2000.

P.S. Why did you make a disclaimer about 2000 championships following the 1999 season and then give STL zero SB wins?

[AZ Fins Fan 55]

^^^ Not that it really matters but you missed a Super Bowl appearance for Phoenix!!!! 

[Brian Fein]

Include the previous CENTURY in your totals and then MAYBE we can include the words "All time" in this thread.

[SportsChick]

Boston has 34 titles across MLB, NFL, NBA, and NHL.
New York has 33 35 titles in MLB alone.

It is not close.

NY also has two baseball teams, two football teams, two hockey teams and if you want to count the Nets, two basketball teams.

Boston (New England really) has one baseball, one football, one hockey (since Hartford left) and one basketball.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Include the previous CENTURY in your totals and then MAYBE we can include the words "All time" in this thread.

That is why I say that Boston had the best single decade of sports of all time. 

[SportsChick]

Do we want to go back to the Bill Russell era? 9 in a row? 11 in 13 years?

[bsmooth]

Do we want to go back to the Bill Russell era? 9 in a row? 11 in 13 years?

Spider covered that with the 34 total titles Boston has won in entirely.

[Spider-Dan]

NY also has two baseball teams, two football teams, two hockey teams and if you want to count the Nets, two basketball teams.

Yankees + football Giants + Rangers + Knicks (i.e. the senior NY clubs in each sport) puts NY at 36.  Try again.

[Spider-Dan]

So NY vs. Boston is a pointless argument, but let's try something a little more innovative:

LA vs. Boston

Boston has a significant advantage in that like many large northeast cities, Boston is old.  In many sports, LA didn't even get a team until 20-30 years after Boston.

If you start the clock after both cities had a team in each major sport (1968, when LA got the Kings), the count is:

LA- 16
Boston- 16

(keep in mind that LA hasn't had a football team for over 15 years)

[MikeO]

Okay, Mister "not even close" - using *facts* - please outline an era of another city where that city saw the following:

At least one NFL title
At least one NBA title
At least one MLB title
At least one NHL title

When the Islanders were winning, the Knicks, Mets, Giants and Jets were not.  When the Giants were winning, the Rangers, Islanders, Yankees and Mets were not.  When the Yankees were winning...

2001 - 2011 (ten years) Boston has witnessed

Two Super Bowl victories
Two World Series victories
One NBA World title
One NHL Stanley Cup

So, using facts (again, that sticky word), if you open it to a 20 year window you can compare it to a run in New York:

72-72 Knicks (NBA)
79-80 Islanders (NHL -- and beyond, they went on a great run)
86 Mets (MLB)
87 Giants (NFL)

^^This still doesn't compare, pure hardware wise, to the past ten years in NE.  Hate all you want, facts are facts.

Miami?  While there was a period of Marlins / Heat - the Panthers made it to the Cup but didn't WIN.  The Dolphins haven't been in the Super Bowl since the mid 80's.  Doesn't compare.

Again, using a TWENTY FIVE YEAR snap shot, Chicago could be close:

86  Bears (NFL)
91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98 Bulls (NBA)
'05 White Sox (MLB)
'10 Blackhawks (NHL)

No region has ever seen this much success spread about through ALL the major sports in such a small time.  It's never happened, nor will it ever happen again.

You're right.  "Not even close."  Just not in the way that you think you're right.


 

I don't know why are you so pissy, Its my opinion. Get over it....Grow up! And sorry Boston having a run of a nice decade dosen't make them titletown of all time.  Right now that still belongs to NY. Granted they have the most teams but they hold that title when you have 29 World Series between the Mets/Yanks alone (not counting Brooklyn or Giants)...4 Super Bowls...2 NBA championships...8 Stanley Cups. The Celtics (17) Red Sox (7) and Bruins (6) championships all together is just one more than the Yanks/Mets combined total! But they have more teams so believe what ya want. You are just wrong! 

But I will make a comparsion of a region. City of Dallas, 20 year stretch (1991-2011) using a MAJOR college team as well as they draw more fans to games than most pro teams so I count it in my book

3 Super Bowls from 92,93, 95
Stanley cup in 1999
UT 2006 National Champs in Football
Mavs 2011 NBA Champs
UT Baseball 2002, 2005 National Champs

That's not counting a stanley cups they lost, a world series they lost, and a final four they lost. That city has had a nice run of getting to the "BIG GAME"

P.S....FOR THE RECORD, nobody is or was knocking the city of Boston either, so get off your 2nd city mentality and get over it!