Kyle Orton

[MikeO]

I don't think it's gonna happen. Just read that Orton might be interested in staying in Denver. It's looking more and more like Orton's gonna cost too much to pry him away from Denver. Miami isn't gonna part with a #2 and I got a feeling that Denver isn't gonna give him up for less than that.

1) Denver can't afford him. Doesn't matter what Orton wants, Orton will be gone by Friday at the latest. Probably tonight or tommorow though. They gotta cut him if they don't trade him

2) The trade is a 3rd and a 5th rounder, not a 2nd.

3) The "HOLD UP" is Orton won't re-do his deal unless he gets a raise and more years. He wants around $10 mill a year, which is about the going rate for "starters" in the NFL these days and of course more years on his deal. The Fins and Orton's agent are trying to squeeze what usually is about 2 weeks worth of negotions in 12 hours. Because of this messed up offseason and how everything has played out.

[tubba marxxx]

^^ I couple issues I have with this

if you're saying he's going to be out of Denver regardless, and Arizona (the only other contender for Orton) is sold on Kolb, then why not just said for Denver to cut him and save yourself the picks and sign him to the contract you're going to sign him to anyways?

And speaking of the contract, you're going to commit starting money to him, so he's going to start..so they can't pull this bullshit about how it's going to be "competition" for Henne, because it's not.  You've chosen Henne's successor.  You're not going to pay a dude $10 million a year to hold the clipboard

[dolfan13]

3) The "HOLD UP" is Orton won't re-do his deal unless he gets a raise and more years. He wants around $10 mill a year, which is about the going rate for "starters" in the NFL these days and of course more years on his deal. The Fins and Orton's agent are trying to squeeze what usually is about 2 weeks worth of negotions in 12 hours. Because of this messed up offseason and how everything has played out.

omar kelly from sun sentinel is basically saying the same thing. hold up is the new deal with orton, and not the trade with denver.

And speaking of the contract, you're going to commit starting money to him, so he's going to start..so they can't pull this bullshit about how it's going to be "competition" for Henne, because it's not.  You've chosen Henne's successor.  You're not going to pay a dude $10 million a year to hold the clipboard

exactly what i have been saying... orton is the new starting qb once they finalize this thing no matter what spin the organization tries to put on it. henne is dead man walking...

[MikeO]

saying there is a "competition" is just coach speak!! Don't be so literal and read between the lines.

And playing with waiting game with Denver to cut him could slow down the entire offseason even more and put back this offense heading into Week 1. You want the guy, give up the friggin picks, pay him, and make him "YOUR GUY" and lets get rolling. Sparano is a dead man walking, Ireland may be to....they ain't got time to screw around and play games. If they start the year 1-4 or 2-7 or something both will be out of a job by November!

[Spider-Dan]

if you're saying he's going to be out of Denver regardless, and Arizona (the only other contender for Orton) is sold on Kolb, then why not just said for Denver to cut him and save yourself the picks and sign him to the contract you're going to sign him to anyways?

Because if you wait for him to get cut, now you have to compete with CIN/SF/JAX/OAK/WSH, all of whom are unsettled (for this year, at least) at the QB position.

[tubba marxxx]

^^ touche

[DenverFinFan]

I live in Denver, so naturally I get all the Broncos games/coverage, Orton is decent and I know this has been said about every QB we've had since Marino and after Fiedler, he would be the best we've had since. It gives us a shot this coming year.

[MikeO]

new rumor making the rounds is the Orton trade is a 3rd round pick and Merling. Not a 3rd and a 5th. Either way its a good move. Merling is now gone anyway with the McDaniel re-signing.

Hold up is on Ireland's end I have heard on the radio and in some tweets from reporters. Either put Orton's 8.8 mill on this years cap as is which kills any further Fins moves. OR, re-do his deal get his cap number down to 5-6 mill but you must extend him and offer more guarantee money long-term. Ireland can't close this deal from the reports it looks like

[dolfan13]

looks like everyone is just in a huge stare down. denver wants a better pick, dolphins don't want to give up a higher pick, orton wants starting qb money (probably looking at the deal kolb is gonna get too)...

it's pretty obvious that the dolphins brass are looking to replace henne as the starter. not sure where they go from here, but should get kinda interesting at 4 today when vy is cut.

[Dave Gray]

saying there is a "competition" is just coach speak!! Don't be so literal and read between the lines.

I agree completely.  This is also just a coach covering his ass, in case the deal doesn't go through -- you don't want to leave your potential starter out to dry.  Henne appears to be done leading this team, if our staff can make that happen.  You don't trade for a guy like Orton and not put him in the game, especially after the way Henne has played.

[Sunstroke]

Another player that I am hearing is on the block...and one that I'd love to see in a Miami uniform, is TE Greg Olsen. I don't suppose Miami could manage a Bush-Orton-Olsen FA haul this preseason, could they?

[sampras66]

looks like henne is dead man walking

SO is soprano!! hehe

[Sunstroke]

^^^ We don't have any sopranos on this team...you must be thinking of New York. I hear Rexy sings soprano when his wife is slurping on his toes.

(and to put things back on track)... I want Orton, and I want him now. If the price is a 3rd rounder plus Merling, and the front office is convinced that price isn't going to go down, then make the damned deal.

[Dave Gray]

SO is soprano!! hehe

I disagree, if we get a new QB.  With Henne, yeah -- Sparano probably is done.  But if we show improvement with a new leader that Coach brings in, it could surely save his job.  If he's looking to stay employed, getting a new starting QB is his only move.

[dolfan13]

(and to put things back on track)... I want Orton, and I want him now. If the price is a 3rd rounder plus Merling, and the front office is convinced that price isn't going to go down, then make the damned deal.

i agree... one thing that is soooo frustrating with this front office. always seems like they are indecisive. make a freaking decision and go all in.

i think the deal gets done today when vy gets cut. miami is going to tell denver that they will just sign vy, and denver will give in to the trade.