Kyle Orton

[fyo]

Vince Young gets released in a couple of hours. Even if the Dolphins have no interest in pursuing him right off the bat, I would expect rumors of Miami trying to work a deal with him... just to put some pressure on Orton and the Broncos.

Reports from Broncos practice where Orton took snaps with the first team is that he's looking very smooth, while Tebow is being called "indecisive at times" and Brady Quinn "scattershot".

[AZ Fins Fan 55]

I want Orton, and I want him now. If the price is a 3rd rounder plus Merling, and the front office is convinced that price isn't going to go down, then make the damned deal.

Agreed he is a big upgrade over what we have and he has some experience with our #1 WR Marshall. I like this move and we need to complete it ASAP.


P.S. I would be pissed if we ended up with Vince Young!!!!!!! 

[fyo]

According to Jeff Darlington of the Herald, the Dolphins are looking to clear cap room to make the Orton trade work.

To me, that sounds like the phins are unwilling to cave to Orton's contract demands. The solution to that, of course, is to eat his current contract ($8.9M).

Modified to add: 1 solid reason to keep Orton with his current contract is that it would allow him to show up for Dolphins practice tomorrow. Any free agent or traded player who restructures their contract isn't able to participate in practice until August 4. (source: http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/41059/how-calendar-could-affect-trades-signings ). With only 2 weeks till the first preseason game, 1 week is a long time.

[dolfan13]

orton isn't going to agree to anything that is not a multi-year deal. that doesn't make sense...

if they are looking to clear cap it's probably because he is looking over to what kolb just got and asking for something in that ballpark.

[fyo]

orton isn't going to agree to anything that is not a multi-year deal. that doesn't make sense...

He doesn't need to if the phins take his contract as is.

[dolfan13]

yep that makes a whole lot of sense... force in a disgruntled qb to lead the team.

these deals always involve an agreement to a contract to commiserate the trade. you don't want to give up picks for someone that isn't going to be happy and doesn't want to come on board.

[fyo]

yep that makes a whole lot of sense... force in a disgruntled qb to lead the team.

these deals always involve an agreement to a contract to commiserate the trade. you don't want to give up picks for someone that isn't going to be happy and doesn't want to come on board.

Who says he'd be disgruntled? He has given absolutely no indication that he would require a new deal. In fact, it's quite common for teams to acquire players with existing contracts. Completely normal in the NFL.

The whole reason for giving him a new deal would be to give him LESS MONEY a year. By the way the negotiations are going, it's pretty clear that taking a huge salary cut isn't high on his wish-list.

Bottom line is, this is likely Orton's last chance as a starter; if he screws up in Miami, who else is going to give him the #1 job? Why wouldn't he want a huge chunk of money to prove himself on a team that hasn't drafted his replacement (meaning his services are going to be needed in the future)?

[dolfan13]

his existing contract is essentially a one year deal. he isn't going to agree to go anywhere for a single year commitment.

the reason its at a stalemate right now is because kolb just reset the market. not sure where you get this is his last chance to prove he is a starter. he has proved that he is a good starter, especially against the likes of kevin kolb (or other scrubs available out there, or chad henne for that matter).

denver cuts him and he will have at least 4 teams bidding on his services. surely those won't be one year deals. he has a lot of leverage here because no one believes denver is going to keep him on the roster past august 4.

[fyo]

So you're saying that if Miami brings him on-board with his current contract, he'd be a malcontent? Why? He'd have every incentive to light it up in order to secure a future payday. If he truly resented the Dolphins for not giving him a new contract, the best way to give us the finger would be to sign with someone else next year.

Btw, I'm not saying more teams wouldn't be interested in him, but media reports are that Miami is currently the only team talking with the Broncos.

[dolfan13]

because its a one year deal with no guaranteed money. why agree to go to a situation where you know nothing about on a one year deal? better to stay put and force denver's hand.

chances are aug 4 they cut him (making him available to teams that were unwilling to trade picks, but would be in the market for a free agent qb), or they restructure a multi-year deal to fit him under the cap. either way he is going to get a new multi-year deal now. new contract = some guaranteed/bonus/upfront money as part of that deal too...

dolphins were a little hesitant to pull the trigger, and now find themselves losing leverage given the kolb deal.

[fyo]

Agree to disagree, I guess...

Orton has no say in the matter and I don't see Denver actually cutting him if anyone is willing to take on his contract (and give them something).

[dolfan13]

yep...

orton's say in the matter is in not agreeing to any terms as part of the new contract. the trading team is not going to give up picks without something greater than 1 year of service. i mean we are talking about the dolphins here that throw away picks like nothing, but it would be crazy to trade away picks without some commitment to lock in greater than 1 year.

he can choose to just stay in denver and force their hand in either a restructure or in cutting him. at the end of the day, orton will have a new multi-year contract this year from someone. this is going to include upfront, guaranteed money greater than 8.9 million he will collect this year. i think kolb got something ridiculous like 23 million?

[MikeO]

If the Fins DON'T land Orton, just like when we didn't land Harbaugh as our coach......we will probably give Henne an extension and hold a press conference to tell everyone he was our QB from all along.

lol

[tubba marxxx]

^^ LOL

truth..at this point we might as well just say fuck it and let Devlin start

[Pats2006]

If the Fins DON'T land Orton, just like when we didn't land Harbaugh as our coach......we will probably give Henne an extension and hold a press conference to tell everyone he was our QB from all along.

lol

lmao..