orton Is not worth any of our 1-3 draft picks

[MikeO]

We have used 3rd round picks on Patrick Turner and Jon Jerry.

Turner didn't last a year. Jon Jerry is probably gonna be cut in a few weeks cause he showed up overweight and way way out of shape and has been passed on the depth chart by guys we are picking up off the street. 

YET, WE CAN'T TRADE a 3rd or a 4th ROUND PICK FOR A STARTING QB!!! Amazing logic!

I still don't get why we tried to re-work Orton's deal. Let him play out the final year of his deal, IF he is great you franchise tag him. If he is so-so you just make him a fair offer since nobody would really be knocking down his door. Why was that so tough?!?!?! 

[Phishfan]

Because while Orton is an upgrade at QB, he definitely isn't good enough to warrant a franchise tag.

[MikeO]

Because while Orton is an upgrade at QB, he definitely isn't good enough to warrant a franchise tag.

You would ONLY tag him next year IF he played at a high level THIS season. 

If he stunk or was just average, you let him walk via free agency (what did it cost you a 4th or 3rd round pick) or you resign him as a free agent at a reasonable price.

It's not that difficult. If we had a history of doing great in the draft, it would make sense to hold onto the picks. Considering we blow so many draft picks, give me a "sure thing" at QB for 1 year for a mid-round pick

[dolfan13]

not sure orton cared to go to a team without a long term deal. for that he preferred to stay in denver.

[Spider-Dan]

MikeO, the point of keeping picks is not for the picks themselves.  It's so that we have chips to trade so we can move up into a better position in the first round when we pick our QB.

[MikeO]

MikeO, the point of keeping picks is not for the picks themselves.  It's so that we have chips to trade so we can move up into a better position in the first round when we pick our QB.

lol, we screw up picks in every round. Having a valid QB on the roster is worth more than the abililty to trade up

[MikeO]

not sure orton cared to go to a team without a long term deal. for that he preferred to stay in denver.

He had no say in it 

He didn't have a no-trade clause

[dolfan13]

ur not going to give up picks for a guy to come in, lead your team, and not be happy with his contract. sure he had no formal say in it, but the reality is that if you are going to pull the trigger for a starter, you have to go all in with a commitment.

[MikeO]

ur not going to give up picks for a guy to come in, lead your team, and not be happy with his contract. sure he had no formal say in it, but the reality is that if you are going to pull the trigger for a starter, you have to go all in with a commitment.

He's making 8.8 million, he isn't happy?? lol, if he has a good year he becomes a free agent and makes a boatload of money and can pick his team. OR he is franchised and makes around $14 mill. WIN-WIN for Orton!! Why wouldn't he be happy??? WHATS NOT TO BE HAPPY ABOUT!!  Think stuff through!

Why do we have to go all in? Did we go all in on Gus Ferrorte? Or Trent Green? Stop Gap guys, sure Orton would have cost us a 4th round pick or so, big deal, we waste those picks anyway!!

[dolfan13]

he wanted a multi-year deal. this was reported all along the negotiations. he was tired of bouncing around from team to team and wanted a commitment.

new contract = new guaranteed money. kolb got what 23 mil guaranteed, and his thinking was if he was going to go to a new team he wanted some commitment.

this wasn't a one sided negotiation, and orton had plenty to say here.

[MikeO]

he wanted a multi-year deal. this was reported all along the negotiations. he was tired of bouncing around from team to team and wanted a commitment.

new contract = new guaranteed money. kolb got what 23 mil guaranteed, and his thinking was if he was going to go to a new team he wanted some commitment.

this wasn't a one sided negotiation, and orton had plenty to say here.

does he have a multi-year deal now? What's your point again... 

[dolfan13]

choice: one year deal with some team that you know nothing about with one month to learn a new playbook, or one year deal where you already have a history and know the system.

orton chose to just stay put if it was going to be a one year deal.

if you have one chance to earn a new multi-year deal, probably going to stay where you have the biggest head start.

[dolfan13]

He's making 8.8 million, he isn't happy?? lol, if he has a good year he becomes a free agent and makes a boatload of money and can pick his team. OR he is franchised and makes around $14 mill. WIN-WIN for Orton!! Why wouldn't he be happy??? WHATS NOT TO BE HAPPY ABOUT!!  Think stuff through!

you should read darlington's article today on the matter that lists the facts behind what happened.  http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/08/05/2345910/miami-dolphins-chad-henne-in-charge.html

note this fact:

"• Trade compensation wasn’t a major holdup. The teams did discuss a trade package, and although they hadn’t yet met in the middle, they weren’t far enough apart to hold up the deal. If Orton agreed to a new contract, a compromise was coming."

or how about this fact:

"• Orton had the leverage. He wanted more money and more years than the Dolphins were comfortable giving to a player who hadn’t even won the starting job. And he had no real reason to back down. Again, he’s a free agent in 2012."

the dolphins were scared off by orton's contract demands.

[Phishfan]

lol, we screw up picks in every round. Having a valid QB on the roster is worth more than the abililty to trade up

A valid QB for what could be one year only. That is a horrible trade if you ask me and I assume most everyone here.

[Pappy13]

We might as well face facts people, obviously Ireland and Sparano either didn't think that much of Orton or they think more of Henne then what you are willing to accept. The fact is they weren't convinced that Orton would be that big of an upgrade or they would have done whatever was necessary to get him. Honestly, I'm not convinced he would have been either. It's also possible Matt Moore is a lot better than people are giving him credit for. I understand he looked pretty good last night in practice.