orton Is not worth any of our 1-3 draft picks

[dolfan13]

It's also possible Matt Moore is a lot better than people are giving him credit for. I understand he looked pretty good last night in practice.

saw some film on him in 2009, and he isn't half bad... if henne doesn't show any improvement in the pre-season, moore may see a lot more action than people think.

[Phishfan]

I have a friend who thinks Moore wins the job before camp is over.

[MikeO]

I have a friend who thinks Moore wins the job before camp is over.

Moore is slightly more polished than Henne and has less pressure on him. That alone gives him the edge in my book. If he has a decent preseason don't be shocked if he wins the job. Will also settle down the angry fan base some as well.

[MikeO]

choice: one year deal with some team that you know nothing about with one month to learn a new playbook, or one year deal where you already have a history and know the system.

orton chose to just stay put if it was going to be a one year deal.

if you have one chance to earn a new multi-year deal, probably going to stay where you have the biggest head start.

  Orton didn't choose anything. If Denver trades him to Seattle, or Buffalo, or wherever tommorow morning HE CAN'T STOP IT!!! He has to go! That's the point!

Miami didn't want to trade for him, its not about Orton and what Orton wants. Orton has NO SAY in the matter!!

[Spider-Dan]

Ask Chris Johnson or Osi Umenyiora if Kyle Orton has a say in the matter.

[dolfan13]

Orton didn't choose anything. If Denver trades him to Seattle, or Buffalo, or wherever tommorow morning HE CAN'T STOP IT!!! He has to go! That's the point!

Miami didn't want to trade for him, its not about Orton and what Orton wants. Orton has NO SAY in the matter!!

you obviously didn't read darlington's report on the facts. here, since you don't read, i will point out the facts in the report for you:

"• Trade compensation wasn’t a major holdup. The teams did discuss a trade package, and although they hadn’t yet met in the middle, they weren’t far enough apart to hold up the deal. If Orton agreed to a new contract, a compromise was coming."

"• Orton had the leverage. He wanted more money and more years than the Dolphins were comfortable giving to a player who hadn’t even won the starting job. And he had no real reason to back down. Again, he’s a free agent in 2012."

this was about orton's contract demands, and not trade compensation.

[fyo]

Orton had (has) no say in any trade.

However, since the Dolphins would've had to give up a pick (possibly as high as a 2nd rounder), its likely that Ireland balked at that, unless a long term deal could be worked out with Orton. Trading a good pick for what amounts to a 1-year lease... that's pretty expensive.

As MikeO pointed out earlier, the way around the 1-year lease would be to franchise him. However, there's a pretty substantial jump between "good enough to stick around" and "franchise player (salary)".

[MikeO]

you obviously didn't read darlington's report on the facts. here, since you don't read, i will point out the facts in the report for you:

"• Trade compensation wasn’t a major holdup. The teams did discuss a trade package, and although they hadn’t yet met in the middle, they weren’t far enough apart to hold up the deal. If Orton agreed to a new contract, a compromise was coming."

"• Orton had the leverage. He wanted more money and more years than the Dolphins were comfortable giving to a player who hadn’t even won the starting job. And he had no real reason to back down. Again, he’s a free agent in 2012."

this was about orton's contract demands, and not trade compensation.

You can post the same thing over and over it doesn't change anything....or change my mind

[MikeO]

Orton had (has) no say in any trade.

However, since the Dolphins would've had to give up a pick (possibly as high as a 2nd rounder), its likely that Ireland balked at that, unless a long term deal could be worked out with Orton. Trading a good pick for what amounts to a 1-year lease... that's pretty expensive.

As MikeO pointed out earlier, the way around the 1-year lease would be to franchise him. However, there's a pretty substantial jump between "good enough to stick around" and "franchise player (salary)".

Or just let him play out the final year of his deal and sign him as a FA, the franchise tag is only is if he is really good. Why is that so tough?? If he is THAT good in 2011, you will want to pay him. He will WANT to stay and not keep jumping around. Win-Win.

The trade could have easily been made without a long-term deal in place. You have ALL season to work that out. For the most important position in all of sports, its worth the risk.

Oh well, they didn't do it. Better pray Henne turns it around or else back to being a Scout for Ireland and back as an o-line coach for Sparano!

[dolfan13]

hey just ignore the facts that's fine...

they couldn't agree to a multi-year contract, that's why this deal fell through.

[fyo]

Or just let him play out the final year of his deal and sign him as a FA

That's a risk, however, and if the risk is higher and the reward the same... something would have to give -- and that would be compensation to the Broncos. To me, it seems like Ireland wasn't willing to part with a 2nd/3rd round pick for the risk involved.

Quarterbacks with success are always attractive in free agency. Let him play out his contract would mean a very big risk of getting outbid for his services.

[MikeO]

That's a risk, however, and if the risk is higher and the reward the same... something would have to give -- and that would be compensation to the Broncos. To me, it seems like Ireland wasn't willing to part with a 2nd/3rd round pick for the risk involved.

Quarterbacks with success are always attractive in free agency. Let him play out his contract would mean a very big risk of getting outbid for his services.

Not a shot at you, but THIS is the type of logic that has caused this franchise to fall from grace and have a decade of being one of the 3 worst teams in the sport. No balls. Affraid to take a risk. No guts.

[MikeO]

hey just ignore the facts that's fine...

they couldn't agree to a multi-year contract, that's why this deal fell through.

Im not disagreeing with the facts, I'm saying Ireland/Sparano/Ross or whoever had a part in making that decision is a total and utter moron!! It's bad football. It's bad decision making.

They don't get it. They think they can win in this league with a piss poor QB, ball control and strong defense.....good luck! The league has changed, it can't happen anymore!! It doesn't work. Orton isn't the 2nd coming, but he is light years better than anyone we got. To say otherwise is foolish. 20 TD's and 9 INT's on a bad team last year. Proof is there!

[Spider-Dan]

Apparently, I used too much subtlety in my previous post.

Players have the option of holding out when they don't wish to play under the contract they currently have.  You can see two current examples of this in Chris Johnson and Osi Umenyiora.

Therefore, it would be grade-A idiotic to trade away picks for an (unhappy) player, not sign him to a new contract, and potentially risk him holding out until Week 9.  If you trade draft picks for a player with one year remaining on his contract, you'd better be damned sure that he will choose to play that full year.

[MikeO]

Apparently, I used too much subtlety in my previous post.

Players have the option of holding out when they don't wish to play under the contract they currently have.  You can see two current examples of this in Chris Johnson and Osi Umenyiora.

Therefore, it would be grade-A idiotic to trade away picks for an (unhappy) player, not sign him to a new contract, and potentially risk him holding out until Week 9.  If you trade draft picks for a player with one year remaining on his contract, you'd better be damned sure that he will choose to play that full year.

You hold out in the new CBA you lose $30,000 a day. Osi is at camp, he has a sprained knee. IS he lying maybe, who knows. Johnson is gonna pay a ton when he returns. The new CBA put an end to the "holdout" unless the player is a total moron.

Nice try, NEXT....