Phins trying to get Tebow?

[MixLovesThemPhins]

One was a hall of fame player the other was good but not on the level of Faulk.

um r u serious

[MikeO]

um r u serious

very! James was a nice player but he isn't sniffing the hall of fame. If you want put up Edge James career vs Faulk's I will do that any day of the week and twice on Sunday

[MixLovesThemPhins]

very! James was a nice player but he isn't sniffing the hall of fame. If you want put up Edge James career vs Faulk's I will do that any day of the week and twice on Sunday

so what #s u wanna compare because all faulk has really over edge is receiving yards and a super bowl ring which is edge woulda stuck around indy 1 more year he woulda got it, plus he had i think 2 knee injuries, i think played 2 less years and is right behind marshall in total rushing yards

[MikeO]

so what #s u wanna compare because all faulk has really over edge is receiving yards and a super bowl ring which is edge woulda stuck around indy 1 more year he woulda got it, plus he had i think 2 knee injuries, i think played 2 less years and is right behind marshall in total rushing yards

I will help your case, throw out the super bowl rings. Lets just do stats, Faulk wins.. And sorry injuries (DURABLITY) is a factor that slants HUGE in the way of Faulk. It matters!

Faulk > Edge....and its not even cloase. Edge can go vist Faulk's bust in the Hall of Fame though like everyone else!

[MixLovesThemPhins]

I will help your case, throw out the super bowl rings. Lets just do stats, Faulk wins.. And sorry injuries (DURABLITY) is a factor that slants HUGE in the way of Faulk. It matters!

Faulk > Edge....and its not even cloase. Edge can go vist Faulk's bust in the Hall of Fame though like everyone else!

besides the receiving yards lets look at rushing, the receiving for faulk is all system oritented as far as i'm concerned

G       GS       Att        Yds     TD    Lng    Y/A    Y/G    A/G     Rec      Yds     Y/R    TD  Lng    R/G    Y/G    YScm     RRTD  Fmb    AV
148    135    3028    12246    80     72    4.0    82.7    20.5    433    3364    7.8    11    60    2.9    22.7    15610     91      44    136
176    156    2836    12279    100   71    4.3    69.8    16.1    767    6875    9.0    36    85    4.4    39.1    19154    136     36    165

[yuppi]

Tebow's a gamer. He's performed well in all NFL games hes started and did his thing TONIght

I'd pick Tebow over henne any day

[Landshark]

Tebow's a gamer. He's performed well in all NFL games hes started and did his thing TONIght

Yeah, he did his thing tonight....... against guys who will be sitting in the bars drinking beer with us at the end of the month. 

[StL FinFan]

Yeah, he did his thing tonight....... against guys who will be sitting in the bars drinking beer with us at the end of the month. 

LMAO

[yuppi]

This response isnt to you landshark. It's for guys with an unbiased view of the situation. He played in 3 NFL games last year to end the season and outperformed Henne in all of them.

Two were against solid defenses in the raiders and chargers.


And if anyone wants to say throw those games out because of the lack of playoff implications... You're discounting the importance that players put in inter divisional rivalries.

The chargers and raiders never have an off day vs the broncos (in terms of effort). They want those games just like we want the jets games
And Tebow played well.
Gimme the improvising left paw sensation over the robotic clown anyday

[MikeO]

besides the receiving yards lets look at rushing, the receiving for faulk is all system oritented as far as i'm concerned

You can't take away the recieving yards. Thats like saying take away the home runs and Jeter is better than Babe Ruth!

You want to "cherry pick" stats to make your argument stronger. You can't do that. Recieving stats count. Sorry!!!! That is what makes Faulk a MUCH better weapon than James. Which was the original point in this debate. The Colts took away Peyton's BEST weapon and replaced him with a lesser one.

[Sunstroke]

The 49ers replaced Joe Montana with a lesser QB...but that didn't mean that Steve Young sucked.

"Lesser" is a relative thing... Edgerrin James was an excellent RB. Manning really didn't take much of a hit with that swap.

[fyo]

peyton makes nobody receivers look like all pro's.

peyton is the kind of qb where you can have a revolving door at left tackle, and it's not a big deal.

Not as a rookie.

And this is the whole point... some teams develop their quarterback prospects, give them the tools, the practice, the support, the time. Other teams repeatedly pick top prospects and flush them.

I have zero confidence in the Dolphins' management in that respect. This is actually why I want them to stick with Henne, even though I think it's likely that he won't develop into the kind of quarterback we need long term. If Henne is flushed now, it just shows that we're among the teams who cannot possibly develop a quarterback, regardless of the talent.

If we are such a team... well... then I say we package a bunch of picks and trade for a VERY good established (but not old) quarterback. (Providing we can find one to pry lose somewhere.)

[dolfan13]

the colts developed how many qb's over the history of their franchise? miami developed marino? the guy just slung it around the practice field better than anyone had ever seen.

no one develops qb's in the nfl anymore. that is primarily tebow's problem he now faces too. developing a qb takes years of investment to even figure out if you have something that is going to work, that quite frankly today's nfl regimes can't make. they mostly are in an out in a matter of 3 years.

hell, mularkey is the oc in atlanta... did he all of the sudden become an offensive/qb guru between his stint in miami and atlanta? no, they got matt ryan.

miami's problem is that they haven't been drafting qb's in the first round regularly enough to hit on the type of talent that can rapidly be a successful nfl starter.

[Pappy13]

Tebow's a gamer. He's performed well in all NFL games hes started and did his thing TONIght

I'd pick Tebow over henne any day

The problem is that he's a much better runner than passer and the Dolphins already have enough running backs, they don't need a QB that can run. Those guys don't last unless they can transition into good passers and I just don't see that happening with Tebow.

[JVides]

You can't take away the recieving yards. Thats like saying take away the home runs and Jeter is better than Babe Ruth!

Mike, I think what he's trying to say is that Faulk went from a system where the back catches a lot of passes (Indy) to another (St Louis).  To whit, he caught 52,56,56,47, and 86 passes during his years with the Colts, moved into a "similar" system, and caught 87, 81, 83, 80 passes the next 4 years.  James came in to Indy, caught 62, 63, 24 (injured), 61, 51, 51, 44, then moved to Arizona where he caught 38, 24, and 12 the next few years.  Why?  Different system.  Had James somehow ended up in a Mike Martz system, he may very well have caught 80 passes each season.  Edge and Faulk's numbers while in Indy were actually quite similar.

Edge is making the HOF.