Phins trying to get Tebow?

[AZ Fins Fan 55]

And why is it that with such a limited sample size you and so many other Dolphin fans are so ready to discard Henne?  So we can start anew with another (essentially) rookie and watch him struggle, and then clamor for another rookie, and another, and another?  Especially when the league is filled with examples of players struggling through the early parts of their careers and ultimately succeeding?  Need I bring up Steve Young (3-8 TD/INT ratio in 1985, 8/13 in 1986 while with Tampa Bay), Troy Aikman ( 9/18 in 1989, 11/18 in 1990, 11/10 in 1991), John Elway (7/14 in 1983, 18/15 in 1984, 22/23 in 1985), Drew Brees (1/0 in 2001, 17/16 in 2002, 11/15 in 2003)?  I could go on forever, if you don't mind including guys that were not HOF guys but solid QBs (Randall Cunningham, Steve McNair, Rich Gannon, etc...)

All Henne has shown so far is that he's young.  In looking at other QBs that struggled, years 3 and 4 seemed to be when the light went on for many, so I'm reserving judgment for at least another year.  I'm certainly not going to clamor for other guys that will give us a few more years of growing pains!

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I for one think it's too early to give up on Henne you hit the nail on the head with he is young. Hopefully this new offense will open things up for him a little. If we don't see some considerable improvement this year then we need to move on.

[Spider-Dan]

Of course, Henne still had 3 or 4 games worse than Thigpens start against chicago.

I'd like to see you name them.  There were only 3 games in which Henne played the entire game and did not throw for both better accuracy and more yards than Thigpen's 17/29, 187yd, 0 TD, 1 INT outing vs. CHI (I would say a better INT:TD ratio, but Thigpen's INT:TD ratio was infinity in that game):

Win @OAK- 17/30, 307yd, 2 TD, 1 INT
Win @NYJ- 5/18, 55yd, 1 TD, 0 INT
Loss vs. CLE- 16/32, 174yd, 1 TD, 3 INT

The OAK game was clearly better and the CLE game was clearly worse.  The NYJ game is a wash (as long as you are ignoring the results).

So I look forward to hearing which "3 or 4" games Henne had that were worse than Thigpen's CHI start.

[Pappy13]

Thigpen was good against the Patriots.

After the game was already lost and the Patriots had already quit playing or were laughing so hard it was tough for them to cover anyone.

Of course, I am sure you are basing this 100% off his performance vs. chicago where he went from 3rd string on sunday, to starting against a good defense on thursday, with a injured offensive line, and brandon marshall not playing half the game.

You have only 1 job as a backup QB, be ready when the starter goes down. He didn't do his job.

Of course, Henne still had 3 or 4 games worse than Thigpens start against chicago.

No he didn't. Henne put points on the board against every opponent he faced except for New England in that last game where he was pulled half way into the game. Thigpen managed zero points in the 1 game that he started and he played the whole game. I don't care if it was a short week and Chicago isn't that great, Thigpen just made them look like the '85 Bears. Henne came back the next week even after being injured and looked much better than Thigpen did.

[MikeO]

Edge is making the HOF. 

In your F'n dreams he is!! ha ha ha

Not a chance in hell Edge is a hall of fame RB!!! Sorry!

[MikeO]

mike u do that

u forget that faulk was on the offense that was labeled "the greatest show on turf"

It's a "nickname" not supposed to be literal. Did the no name defense really have 11 guys with "no names"...  Were the monsters of the midway not human and really monsters!

[Spider-Dan]

Faulk played for the only offense in NFL history to score 500+ points for three straight years.  I think it's fair to say his teammates were pretty good.

[MikeO]

Faulk played for the only offense in NFL history to score 500+ points for three straight years.  I think it's fair to say his teammates were pretty good.

nobody said they weren't. Thats not the debate. Faulk was a better player than James. And James isn't going to the hall of fame. Anyone who thinks either of those statements are false is either related to Edge James or just doesn't know what NFL football is all about

[Spider-Dan]

Better player?  Sure.  Better pure running back?  I don't know about that.

Edge was not a good enough pure running back to get into the HOF (which is full of many great pure running backs).  Faulk would never get in as a pure rusher; his accomplishments are all based around yards from scrimmage and his dual-threat capability.

If Steve Tasker (a wide receiver) gets into the Hall of Fame, it doesn't make him one of the best receivers of all time.

[MikeO]

Better player?  Sure.  Better pure running back?  I don't know about that.

Edge was not a good enough pure running back to get into the HOF (which is full of many great pure running backs).  Faulk would never get in as a pure rusher; his accomplishments are all based around yards from scrimmage and his dual-threat capability.

If Steve Tasker (a wide receiver) gets into the Hall of Fame, it doesn't make him one of the best receivers of all time.

Please, spin this anyway you want. As i said   FAULK > Edge    and its not even close

[MixLovesThemPhins]

it's official Mike dont know wtf he's talkin about like lets blame that pick on Henne

[MixLovesThemPhins]

Please, spin this anyway you want. As i said   FAULK > Edge    and its not even close

didnt i just post the fuckin stats or do u not know how to read football statistics, edge is behind faulk in rushing yards by only 30 yards and missed 2 seasons due to injury and played 2 less seasons, get ur head out your ass my dude

y wouldn't edge make the hall

dude had 4 1500 yard seasons, another at 1300 and he missed 3 games

faulk had 0

[MikeO]

it's official Mike dont know wtf he's talkin about like lets blame that pick on Henne

actually it was, a bad pass behind Fassano. If he throws a good pass Fassano doesn't have to reach behind him.

[MikeO]

didnt i just post the fuckin stats or do u not know how to read football statistics, edge is behind faulk in rushing yards by only 30 yards and missed 2 seasons due to injury and played 2 less seasons, get ur head out your ass my dude

y wouldn't edge make the hall

dude had 4 1500 yard seasons, another at 1300 and he missed 3 games

faulk had 0

Why so vulger? Can't have a civil debate. Immature!  Why wouldn't he make the hall, its easy look at the OTHER RB's in the hall and Edge doesn't match up. And you can't ignore Faulk's RECIEVING stats. it's like saying, take away the home runs and Babe Ruth stinks. You can't take that away, it counts!!  THOSE NUMBERS COUNT!!

Edge's career was too short in terms of being a top player and his stats don't match up to other RB's in the hall of fame.

You can scream till your blue in the face and "CHERRY PICK" all the stats you want, he ain't getting in.

[MixLovesThemPhins]

what am i cherry picking i just showed u their career stats are you missing something, we're talking about a rb and not a wr


top 4 rushing seasons for each

16    16    369    1553    
16    16    387    1709
16    16    334    1548    
15    15    360    1506    
vs
16    15    324    1319    
16    16    253    1381    
14    14    253    1359
14    14    260    1382    

i dont get how u ignore #'s, maybe if faulk wasn't catchin all them pass's he woulda had more rushing yards, hence my system argument but u dont want to hear that

i believe edge will get in the hall first ballot maybe not because alot of people look at edge and view him the same way as u do, he wasn't as popular as faulk, got hurt, but he still put up crazy #'s

so is faulk better then barry sanders

[MikeO]

RB's aren't allowed to catch the ball and help their team that way.

WOW. Someone alret ESPN they might want to break into programing with this news!  


This is a silly. I don't have time for this nonsense and downright laughable debate. Believe what you want.  Have a nice night