University of Miami football program in serious trouble

[AZ Fins Fan 55]

Can someone explain what the death penalty is for the program?

[bsmooth]

Remember this program has already got one strike against it for the Pell Grant scandal

[MikeO]

Miami can't use the defense "everyone is doing it" beacuse it just makes them look even worse

They should come out, admit guilt, a few people need to resign from their positions, do a few self-imposed sanctions on the football program, and then throw yourself to the mercy of the NCAA. If any current players are found to be cheating throw them out of school ASAP!

It would be the best defense and maybe "soften" any potential blow. But its still going to be really really ugly

[MikeO]

Can someone explain what the death penalty is for the program?

It means there is no football program for a period of time. So if the Canes get it, a year from now there will be no Miami Hurricanes football. No team, no games...nothing.

It's only been used 5 times ever. SMU for football. Kentucky Basketball in the 50's. Louisiana Lafayette basketball in the 70's.  One Tennis and one Soccer program at really small schools got it for buying/bringing over some kids from overseas to play on their teams. And they got it a few years ago so the NCAA showed it wasn't affraid to use it

[Landshark]

It means there is no football program for a period of time. So if the Canes get it, a year from now there will be no Miami Hurricanes football. No team, no games...nothing.

It's only been used 5 times ever. SMU for football. Kentucky Basketball in the 50's. Louisiana Lafayette basketball in the 70's.  One Tennis and one Soccer program at really small schools got it for buying/bringing over some kids from overseas to play on their teams. And they got it a few years ago so the NCAA showed it wasn't affraid to use it

The NCAA might not be afraid to use it but they will only do so as a last resort.  After seeing what happened to SMU football after it got the death penalty in 1987, they're only going to use it for repeat violators who basically are arrogant and ignore NCAA warnings (which SMU did back in those days).  You're right on target by saying that Miami should disassociate itself with whoever was involved in this scandal and administer some self imposed sanctions.  Last time they did that, the NCAA went easy on them.

[MikeO]

The fact everyone knew about this guy from the head coaches in that time frame to the athletic department means the school sat back and did nothing. And 75 players....look,  I don't give a crap about the Canes one way or another (don't love em, don't hate em, they are just another school in my eyes) and don't want to see their football program ruined. But if I were in charge, this is clearly a case where the death penalty should be on the table and a likely option.

Just like with SMU. Maybe every 25 or so years the NCAA needs to send a message to a big program. Keep everyone on their toes. Wouldn't solve the problems but it might scare a few people/schools straight for a bit

[StL FinFan]

Frank Haith's name came up in this scandal.  Depending on what the NCAA says, Mizzou may be looking for a new basketball coach.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/article_aef06fdd-1ccd-5fe4-a566-860df24fe405.html

[JVides]

While I agree that this is bad, very few allegations involve current players, and most if not all of those are largely uncorroborated.  From all that I am reading, Randy Shannon seems to have done a pretty good job of keeping Shapiro away from the program.  The current players have allegations like " received dinner at Benihana's" and "hung out at my house", which I don't find particularly scandalous.

Given that the NCAA has apparently cleared several of the coaches who have moved on to other schools, as well as former players who moved on to other programs, it seems like some recent evidence is falling by the wayside.  We're getting nailed, but the worst of it seems to have happened in 2002-2006.  Hopefully, the NCAA doesn't decide to go past the 4 year statute ( a man can dream)

[BigDaddyFin]

Something tells me Miami's gonna get a slap on the wrist and little else.

[AZ Fins Fan 55]

It means there is no football program for a period of time. So if the Canes get it, a year from now there will be no Miami Hurricanes football. No team, no games...nothing.

It's only been used 5 times ever. SMU for football. Kentucky Basketball in the 50's. Louisiana Lafayette basketball in the 70's.  One Tennis and one Soccer program at really small schools got it for buying/bringing over some kids from overseas to play on their teams. And they got it a few years ago so the NCAA showed it wasn't affraid to use it

Thanks for the explanation. That is a harsh penalty, if they imposed that upon the Hurricanes how long would you expect that to last? Just a season or two or more like 5 or more?

[Landshark]

Thanks for the explanation. That is a harsh penalty, if they imposed that upon the Hurricanes how long would you expect that to last? Just a season or two or more like 5 or more?

Death penalty is at least a year.  Usually no more than that.  But the fallout from it can be disastrous.  SMU was a major football powerhouse in the early to mid 80's  Once they got the death penalty in 87, they were nobodies for a long time when they took the field again.  Only now are they starting to make national news again.

[Landshark]

Saw this on a buddy's site.  Too funny

[MikeO]

Something tells me Miami's gonna get a slap on the wrist and little else.

I don't think thats even a possibility. This is far worse than what USC did and USC was hit hard!

[dolfan13]

college football players going to big parties with loose women and lots of booze... shocking

[MikeO]

college football players going to big parties with loose women and lots of booze... shocking

Most of those parties aren't thrown by a 40 year old running a $1 billion ponzi scheme though. Little different!