University of Miami football program in serious trouble

[dolfan13]

how so? i don't get the difference. no one knew this guy was a con artist, including the folks defrauded by him to the order of hundred of millons of dollars.

is there an age limit on boosters? is there a rule in the ncaa that governs the types of parties boosters can throw? i'm asking, i don't know.

if a booster is a co-owner for a nightclub/restaurant establishment and a party is hosted there is that against the rules? if t boone pickens hosts a bbq party at his home for an okie state players event is that against the rules. it's not black and white as folks would like to see this, and its a mess because of the ncaa.

if the sigeps throw a party during gator growl and players party it up with chicks that are college students paying their way through college as strippers, is that an ncaa infraction?

college football players partying with chicks, not paying for shit, and easy access to sex is not news breaking folks. you could walk through 6th street downtown austin and bust plenty players if that is the case.

[JVides]

Most of those parties aren't thrown by a 40 year old running a $1 billion ponzi scheme though. Little different!

You write that like UM should have known the guy was jrunning a ponzi scheme.  As far as they knew, he was essentially an investment broker.  I'm sure a good bit of the boosters all around the country would fall into that category.

[MikeO]

Bottom line, Nevin Shapiro was breaking rules. Everyone from the coaches, to the Athletic Department knew he was breaking rules. Hell the Compliance Director had hard facts he was breaking rules. And nobody did anything or turned this guy in.

Miami is guilty.

To spin this any other way is being a blind homer and ignoring the truth.

[BigDaddyFin]

I don't think thats even a possibility. This is far worse than what USC did and USC was hit hard!

I couldn't disagree more.  USC gave up nothing more realistically than a couple trophies.  They'll still be recognized by the press as national champs that year, Reggie Bush is still a former Heisman winner.  They don't need any help recruiting.  They'd already been crowned the champions for a good 5 years before all this happened.  So basically they lost some hardware and some pr for breaking the ultimate rule in college sports which is "don't take money but watch us cut up these fat conference checks."  Ohio State should have been punished more harshly than they were, all they had to do was fire Jim Tressell, suspend a very replaceable player named pryor and all was essentially forgiven.  Add in the fact that UM has a high profile president in Donna Shalalalalalalala and they'll basically get a fine and a slap on the wrist.  We already know the NCAA doesn't have the stomach to hit another program with the death penalty based on what happened to SMU, so really what's changed other than the NCAA like a dismissive parent sending them a letter saying "you were bad?"

[MikeO]

USC lost 30 schlorships and 2 years of bowls

Thats a lot!

[JVides]

 Mike, what facts did the compliance officer have?  I know Shapiro got belligerent with him, but that's all I've seen. 

[MikeO]

Mike, what facts did the compliance officer have?  I know Shapiro got belligerent with him, but that's all I've seen. 

Then the complaince officer had a background check on Shapiro done got every possible fact about him some 3 years ago, knew what Shapiro was doing with the players and how he was buying players stuff and he sat on the info and didn't do a damn thing. And didn't have the guy banned from the anything or have him removed.

Then you got the equipment manager who is the real smoking gun that the University doesn't have an answer to or can possibly spin in any way

[Dave Gray]

Like MikeO, I'm not partial to or against the Hurricanes.  I don't want to hurt their program, just for the sake of my local economy, but I'm not a fan -- I just don't care about them either way.

But this looks REALLY bad.  Serious allegations that all appear to ring true, with evidence to support it.  It's more than just parties with loose women.  It's the hiring of prostitutes from boosters.  That's a big, big deal.  The fact that higher-ups knew about this guy is very, very damning.

[dolfan13]

these guys go to all kinds of parties, can walk anywhere on campus or downtown have all kinds of women throwing themselves at them, walk into any club at the front of the line, and don't pay for anything.

so they now need someone to hire prostitutes for sex? doesn't make sense...

and how do you prove that? it's not like a transaction with a prostitute is through a credit card or check. for all these guys know, these were mad, off the chain parties with lots of hot chicks. business as usual for them. it would be nothing different than walking into the sigep house in gainsville on a saturday night after a big win against georgia.

maybe most of the guys on this board don't remember college parties, but i do because we threw them as sigeps. football players got laid every single day of the week at college, and im talking even the 3rd string guys. these aren't regular joe blow college guys that have to work real hard to even have a chance at some action.

[StL FinFan]

It doesn't matter if it makes sense or not.  It happened.  Like Dave and MikeO, I don't care one way or another about the school, and it looks very very bad to me also.

[dolfan13]

i don't care either way either being an alum from texas and florida. i do care that this sets a bad precedence for big time college football.

basically all you need is pictures of players partying, hanging out at clubs, on yachts, drinking top shelf liquor, toss in angry/vengeful booster, and publish a story on it. throw in prostitutes, abortion, insert other sensational accusation, and the public goes into a frenzy breaking out the pitchforks.

i also sense a bit of envy in the public's rage on all of this. "look at these black guys and the life they are living that i could never have, especially while in college when i was a real dork, so throw the freaking book at them".

[MikeO]

these guys go to all kinds of parties, can walk anywhere on campus or downtown have all kinds of women throwing themselves at them, walk into any club at the front of the line, and don't pay for anything.

so they now need someone to hire prostitutes for sex? doesn't make sense...

and how do you prove that? it's not like a transaction with a prostitute is through a credit card or check. for all these guys know, these were mad, off the chain parties with lots of hot chicks. business as usual for them. it would be nothing different than walking into the sigep house in gainsville on a saturday night after a big win against georgia.

maybe most of the guys on this board don't remember college parties, but i do because we threw them as sigeps. football players got laid every single day of the week at college, and im talking even the 3rd string guys. these aren't regular joe blow college guys that have to work real hard to even have a chance at some action.

He paid for one girl a football player knocked up to have an abortion. That is easily proven. And beyond the hookers, he had documents and receipts for a lot of this stuff. Damn near all of it, not the hookers obviously but everything else!! College kids going to parties and being drunk and having sex is normal you are correct. Going on BILLION DOLLAR YACHTS and doing that isn't!!!!!

For the record, I don't think they are getting the death penalty. I think 5-10 years of no bowl games. I think no TV for 2 years. And I think they will lose upward of 30-50 scholorships. It's gonna be really really bad.

and for the love of god don't play the race card, this has nothnig to do with race!!!!

[dolfan13]

He paid for one girl a football player knocked up to have an abortion. That is easily proven.

again, call me crazy, but i don't see how that is easily provable. in the same sentence he says he never even told the player he claims this was for. in fact, how is this even against the rules? the sensational abortion claim happened between shapiro and someone else to which he says the player had no knowledge of.

And beyond the hookers, he had documents and receipts for a lot of this stuff. Damn near all of it, not the hookers obviously but everything else!!

what do receipts prove necessarily? that shapiro spent a lot of money? if that's the case, rich guy buy extravagant things, insert hated rival school here, and claim you bought this for players on the squad. you would have the receipts.

College kids going to parties and being drunk and having sex is normal you are correct. Going on BILLION DOLLAR YACHTS and doing that isn't!!!!!

i don't see the difference, and i guess that's just me. does the ncaa have guidelines as to where/what types of parties are good  and where/what types of parties are bad? parties on million dollar yachts are bad, but wild alumni sponsored parties at club x on 6th street are good?

and for the love of god don't play the race card, this has nothnig to do with race!!!!

not saying that the scandal or accusations have anything to do with race, but certainly seems like the public vitriol and rush to burn people at the stake has a sense of envy and yes race to it. would be nice to see more facts around this, but most people have already made up their minds. just have to wonder where all this vitriol and rush to judgement is coming from.

[MikeO]

he also has pictures of these guys breaking rules to go along with receipts. What more do you want?

Look your a die hard Canes fan. I get it. You are close to this. Hate seeing it, but from and outside objective observer point of view the School and the players are guilty of cheating. You can't SPING it any other way. Time to man up and take the punishment. Nothing to do with race or anything else. They cheated and broke rules. There were 75 guys who cheated, not just 1 or a couple. And not just taking a free hamburger or a free hat or anything. They broke the big rules!

[dolfan13]

no, u know shit about me man.

i am a die hard texas longhorns fan. i would hate to see insert hateful rich guy here, put together some stuff that looks bad, and have the public out with pitchforks based on a story with sensational claims. the public vitriol and rush to judgement without real facts is what concerns me about all of this. all it takes now is for knuckleheads like the alabama guy who killed the auburn tree to use this as a model to get at their rival schools.

pictures of college athletes at clubs partying isn't against the rules is it? and how exactly do you map random pictures against specific receipts? i guess maybe if you have the receipt in the actual picture with a zoom in on the receipt, but that's not the pictures that the yahoo story published.