I'm confused in the assault by so many people on Henne....

[EKnight]

Yes, I KNOW Miami is 0-2, and there's a lot of woulda-coulda-shoulda's regarding missed field goals and dropped passes. My confusion lies in the assault by so many people on Henne. Henne didn't miss any field goals; he didn't give up 61 points in two games and cause the D to be last in the league. After week one, I didn't see anyone saying that he was a quality starter, even though he led the team in passing AND rushing against NE, and became the first QB in aqua and orange to go over 400 yards NOT named Marino. After the Houston loss, though, quite a few people are calling for his head....again. If you can't judge his entire season based on a great week 1 performance, what kind of logic is there in judging it by a poorer week 2 performance? From EVERYTHING that is out there, he improved vastly in the offseason as a QB, so you can't go off of what he did last year- that was last year, and yes players DO improve. Unless he starts throwing the ball to himself, so he can drop red-zone passes (ahem....Marshall...), and starts playing both sides of the ball so he can get burned in the secondary, it's still only two games. And despite what anyone thinks, he DOES rate in the top ten in passing yards and TD's from quarterbacks. The POV of many people here confuses me.

On another note, if anyone can tell me why we punted on 4th and 1/2 yard from our 20, and on the very next series attempted to go for it on 4th and 19, again at our 20, that'd be just swell! -EK

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[jtex316]

Thoughts on above:

1. When you're a starting QB in the NFL, this is what you can expect. When the team wins, the starting QB is awesome and gets the credit. When they're losing, the starting QB is a loser and should be fired. It's just how it goes.

2. You said:

"After week one, I didn't see anyone saying that he was a quality starter, even though he led the team in passing AND rushing against NE..."

I sure hope Henne led his team in passing - otherwise there would really be a problem there!

3. In regards to your "logic" question, it's a regression against a weaker defense. Henne threw for over 400 yards partly because Tom Brady was lighting it up from all over the place, so Henne had to match (not a lot of running game there). Against a weaker team, he re-appeared as the same-old Henne.

4. It's funny that you complain about the fact that people are griping over "only 2 games" yet you point out that Henne rates as a top ten passer in yards and TDs. You realize those stats are only after 2 games, right?

5. I'll answer your last question: Sparano is not a good clock / game manager. He doesn't do well in important / tight situations, like 4th and 1/2 from the 20 yard line. Down 2 scores with 7:00 left, if your team can't get 1/2 yard, then you're screwed anyways so you might as well go for it.

- JT

[Doc-phin]

I thought about starting a "Good job Henne" type thread, but I feel like any judgement should be reserved for beyond just a couple of games.

The guy has been pretty good overall.  I got just as frustrated as others with the overthrows in the endzone, but there have been a few that he threw well enough and Marshall should have gotten the job done down there.

Two picks in two games and both were not really his errors.  Normally, you can win with play like that.  As we have already beaten to death, our defense didn't get it done.  Throw in two ridiculous missed field goals, a fumble at a bad time and Marshal not delivering in the end zone and you got yourself two losses to good teams.

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side note-

I just hope Marshall isn't destined to be one of those guys that gets tense in the red zone.  I have a few friends that watched him a great deal while he was in Denver and they seem to feel he was good in the middle of the field but once you get to the red zone he somehow just doesn't seal the deal.  He has the body type for being a primary red zone target and I can only imagine that they will continue to try and force the ball to him.  If he doesn't step it up a notch, he may become more of a distraction from scoring than an actual scoring threat.

And don't get me wrong, Marshall has been pretty awesome to watch so far.  But he has to realize that points are priority number one.  Really loved the way he pushed Jason Allen into the endzone.  Really want to see more of that kind of play when the goal line is plainly in view.

[Brian Fein]

EKnight, there are 3-5 members of this forum that will hate on Henne no matter what.  They have lately been VERY vocal since last Sunday.

Don't let their loudness and chirping fool you into thinking that the "majority" of fans agree with them.  In fact, most reasonable and objective fans I've spoken to lately agree with you.

[AZ Fins Fan 55]

EKnight.....great post and I feel the same way. I has been two games, I don't give a shit what he did last year or the year before. In those two games I have seen improvement and I hope like hell it continues for the remainder of the season. If not....great then we move on but he is our only option right now so let's get behind him and hope for the best.

[EKnight]

1. When you're a starting QB in the NFL, this is what you can expect. When the team wins, the starting QB is awesome and gets the credit. When they're losing, the starting QB is a loser and should be fired. It's just how it goes.

 Against a weaker team, he re-appeared as the same-old Henne.

- JT

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand THIS is what I'm talking about. Whether the team wins or loses, 475 total yards of offense and 3 TD's is awesome. Give credit. As for the "weaker team" statement, the Texans are #1 in the league in points allowed, #1 in the league in passing defense, #1 in the league in total defense, and 2-0. How is that a weaker team? Their defense is not just a little bteer, but significantly better so far than NE. Do you even watch the games or do you just go off of what you think happened?? -EK

[MikeO]

Henne wasn't good last week vs Houston. If he makes a play or two in the redzone the Fins win. He made no plays in the redzone. The Henne I saw last week was the Henne I saw all of last year. He doesn't put touchdowns on the board. Especially when it matters. PERIOD! One good game vs NE doesn't change that.

Week 1 he was good, no doubt. But last week Henne was bad.

[miamid45]

Still falls back to the coaching....in that this young QB has played at the mercy of an OC (Henning) last season that was unable to change an offence that had had success with the Wildcat for 1 season and once the rest of the NFL caught on, could not reply with a solid gameplan.  So, now in year 4 of Hennes career, he is stuck with the same lousy Head coach and a new OC.

Yes, the results have been and A and a D in the 1st 2 games, but the guy has been handcuffed under this regime.

Henne, is never going to be a top 5 QB, but I still think he can win under the right leadership.

P.S...I still like him better than Sanchez!

[Brian Fein]

P.S...I still like him better than Sanchez!

I'm glad you said that, I totally agree!

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Henne will never be accepted by the Dolphins fan base. 

Nor will his replacement. 

He suffers from the same fatal flaw that his 14 predecessors suffered from.

He is not Dan Marino. 

Sanchez has it easier.  He is the best QB the Jets have had since Namath, and Namath was good not great. 

[tepop84]

Henne will never be accepted by the Dolphins fan base. 

Nor will his replacement. 

He suffers from the same fatal flaw that his 14 predecessors suffered from.

He is not Dan Marino. 

Sanchez has it easier.  He is the best QB the Jets have had since Namath, and Namath was good not great. 

  thats bullshit. the reason henne isnt accepted is because he is in the bottom 10 of the starting nfl qbs.  if he improves his peak is 10-15th best qb in the league.  no reason to put up with his suck when his value will never be good.

[Thundergod]

Agreed w/ tepop. This has nothing to do w/ Marino (at least personally). Those predecessors suffered from lack of talent. It'd be nice to see consistency (on a good scale) instead of flashes of brilliance.

[Brian Fein]

Hoodie's point is this -

Why do you need your QB to be top 5 in the league?  Marino was that.

In a league with Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, and others, why will YOU, the fans, not be satisfied unless the Dolphins' QB is in that realm?  Why is it not good enough to be 10-15 in the league if you have cogs around him to support.

Tepop, in your attempt to refute Hoodie, you actually proved him right.

[tepop84]

lol brian. you have no clue.

[MikeO]

Another TERRIBLE game by Henne today. Red Zone and once again he does nothing.

Henne is a bad QB, period. Week 1 this year was the exception, not the rule!! The guy can't lead a TD drive or do anything in the red zone.