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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2011, 07:05:52 pm »

you fire a coach midseason to send a message to your fans that you will not stand for constant losing. That this type of play won't be tolerated.

Speaking for myself, the fact they fire a coach midseason doesn't make me feel any better about losing.
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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2011, 11:28:31 pm »

you fire a coach midseason to send a message to your fans that you will not stand for constant losing. That this type of play won't be tolerated.
Given Ross' history, I'd rather have him send the message that he's not an unhinged maniac who wants to micromanage the team on a week-by-week basis.  That is a much larger obstacle to winning than any single personnel decision; for more evidence, see Davis, Al.
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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2011, 11:32:46 pm »

Most quality coaches (Cowher, Gruden, Fisher, etc.) don't want to get involved with taking over a head coaching spot while the predecessor is still in the job, its just bad form.  Just look back to the debacle that happened last year when Ross was looking to replace Sparano while he still had the job.  By appointing an interim coach you can start talking to potential coaches and cover the requirements of the Rooney Rule, etc.
That debacle happened entirely because Ross didn't have the balls to outright fire Sparano and was skulking around while Sparano was twisting in the wind.

At the end of the season, fire Sparano, then look for a coach.  No respectable head coach has ever taken over a new team midseason; for a top tier coach, that is simply unthinkable.  So Miami isn't losing anything by waiting until the end of the season to make a move.
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« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2011, 05:22:02 am »

Speaking for myself, the fact they fire a coach midseason doesn't make me feel any better about losing.

you are in the minority
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« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2011, 12:51:39 pm »

That debacle happened entirely because Ross didn't have the balls to outright fire Sparano and was skulking around while Sparano was twisting in the wind.

At the end of the season, fire Sparano, then look for a coach.  No respectable head coach has ever taken over a new team midseason; for a top tier coach, that is simply unthinkable.  So Miami isn't losing anything by waiting until the end of the season to make a move.

First, I never said anything about the new coach taking over mid-season, I wouldn't expect that to happen. Secondly, if five different teams are knocking on the same guys door at the same time, you actually think that is equal to ONLY the Fins knocking on his door???  Thirdly, you make my point for me, don't leave Sparano twisting in the wind when you know he's not coming back.
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« Reply #20 on: September 29, 2011, 02:30:42 pm »

First, I never said anything about the new coach taking over mid-season, I wouldn't expect that to happen. Secondly, if five different teams are knocking on the same guys door at the same time, you actually think that is equal to ONLY the Fins knocking on his door???
I don't understand how you can fail to connect the dots between the two statements you just made.

You say that Miami will not hire the new coach midseason, so logically, that means they would wait until after the season.  After the season, all the interested teams are now knocking on his door!  So what have you gained?

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Thirdly, you make my point for me, don't leave Sparano twisting in the wind when you know he's not coming back.
You have a strange definition of "twisting in the wind," there.  Let me help clarify this for you:  the "twisting in the wind" part is when you are actively recruiting a replacement for someone who is currently under contract (i.e. what you are proposing Ross do to whoever he hires as an interim head coach, after firing Sparano).

Saying "Sparano is our coach, and we are not considering any replacement at this time" (and following that up with not chasing other coaches) is not leaving someone twisting in the wind.
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« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2011, 03:13:58 pm »

You say that Miami will not hire the new coach midseason, so logically, that means they would wait until after the season. 

Once again you are trying to twist my statements.  I NEVER said they would not hire or negotiate for the new coach, what I said was that he would not take over coaching the team.

Feel free to try and twist this statment of mine, this is my last reply to you on the matter.
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« Reply #22 on: September 29, 2011, 03:18:31 pm »

^^^ I don't know that I have ever seen that happen in the NFL. I don't think Spider is "twisting" what you said. It is just that I don't recall it ever happening.
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« Reply #23 on: September 29, 2011, 04:23:19 pm »

Once again you are trying to twist my statements.  I NEVER said they would not hire or negotiate for the new coach, what I said was that he would not take over coaching the team.
So are you claiming that they would hire a new coach (midseason!) that would not immediately take over the job?  The interim coach keeps coaching while another person has already been HIRED as his replacement?

Please name ANY TIME that this has happened in American professional sports history.  EVER.
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« Reply #24 on: September 29, 2011, 06:19:11 pm »

So are you claiming that they would hire a new coach (midseason!) that would not immediately take over the job?  The interim coach keeps coaching while another person has already been HIRED as his replacement?

Please name ANY TIME that this has happened in American professional sports history.  EVER.

I think the Dolphins hired Saban on Christmas Day. And Jim Bates coached the final 2 games of the season, the next day vs Cleveland and a week later in Baltimore. That's the closest to it happening I can think of. And that really isn't mid-season either.  In college, West Virginia tried it this year in football sort of, hiring the 2012 coach before the 2011 season was played, but that blew up in their face and the current coach went bonkers and they ended up releasing him and just handing it to the new coach who was supposed to start in 2012.

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« Reply #25 on: October 02, 2011, 06:51:42 am »

Stephen Ross should be asking Parcells for a refund.
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