Are we just good enough not to be terrible?

[Brian]

I'm talking to"Dave Gray" and he is arguing that we are comptetive enough not to make wholesale changes...I disagree. I think we're one of the most uncompetitive teams in the league. We can't argue that we're better than teams that have won (he says we're more competitive than cleveland). Discuss...

[MikeO]

We lost to the Browns when the Browns didn't have their best player on the field for the game.

What's to discuss?

[miamid45]

We suck in every aspect of the game...passing, running on both sides of the ball.  Who's our superstar?.....

Exactly...no one!

[EDGECRUSHER]

I think we are a team where if we had a good QB can win between 8-10 games depending on bounces. Then again, our defense has been terrible this season, so who knows?

[Tenshot13]

You know Randy Quaid in Major League?  How he starts off as a huge homer, then snaps and turns on the team?  Ya, I'm thinking that's me right now.

[Pappy13]

I think Dave is right. We have been competitive in every game we have played, but not good enough. I believe if we had a better coach, this team would be 2-2 right now. Tony is in the bottom third of the league in coaches if not in the bottom 5.

This team has quit playing for Sparano. You can see it on the defensive side of the ball. There was a LOT of give up out there on the defensive side of the ball. They simply don't know how to change things.

[el diablo]

It's at the point where terrible signifies hope. That went out the window with San Diego's first TD.

[Dave Gray]

He's misrepresenting my point.

I think that we are competitive, and that's kinda the problem.  The potential that we have is keeping us from looking at our biggest issues.  We're not making widespread changes.  It's masking our ability to really address things.

But, we're better than many of us want to believe.  There are teams in the lead with better records that I believe we're actually better than.  It speaks to our ineptitude at management, that we're losing games that we should be winning.  It also speaks to our lack of trustworthy superstars, since our key positions aren't stepping up in win/lose situations.

[habfan5150]

 our key positions aren't stepping up in win/lose situations.


Like for example Brandon Marshall, who leads the league in dropped passes.

[el diablo]

He's misrepresenting my point.

I think that we are competitive, and that's kinda the problem.  The potential that we have is keeping us from looking at our biggest issues.  We're not making widespread changes.  It's masking our ability to really address things.

But, we're better than many of us want to believe.  There are teams in the lead with better records that I believe we're actually better than.  It speaks to our ineptitude at management, that we're losing games that we should be winning.  It also speaks to our lack of trustworthy superstars, since our key positions aren't stepping up in win/lose situations.

Prior to this season, I would agree with you. However, these last four games have completely unmasked the need for an overhaul.

[MikeO]

He's misrepresenting my point.

I think that we are competitive, and that's kinda the problem.  The potential that we have is keeping us from looking at our biggest issues.  We're not making widespread changes.  It's masking our ability to really address things.

But, we're better than many of us want to believe.  There are teams in the lead with better records that I believe we're actually better than.  It speaks to our ineptitude at management, that we're losing games that we should be winning.  It also speaks to our lack of trustworthy superstars, since our key positions aren't stepping up in win/lose situations.

I see your point Dave but I still disagree. Houston, NE, and SD are playoff teams. Who are we losing that we shouldn't be too?

And we lost to the Browns when the Browns didn't have their best player. How much more of a gift do ya want?

I think we are worse than many think we believe. I really think this is at most a 2 win team and what I saw out of KC and Denver today maybe an 0-16 team. We won't be favorites in a game once this year. Maybe its an EVEN spread vs Denver, maybe. The secondary is brutal and in a league where everyone passes the ball that is a bad thing. A very bad thing.

[dolfan13]

you are what you're record says you are... i mean that is all that matters in this game.

you can't say, oh we only lost by a little to this great team therefore we are decent. winning in the nfl against anyone is hard. joe rose was saying on the radio that paterno would tell them all the time at penn state that there are really only a handful of plays that matter in a football game. the dolphins don't have players that make a difference on those plays.

[Diehard_Dolfan]

There is talent on this team...      Problem is....there isn't enough talent to get us over where we're lacking. We have a offensive scheme that's built for a team with a good offensive line... our line is not that good!   We have talented starting CB's that are still developing and a decent safety in Bell... our other CB's and safeties are not that good.  We don't have a solid QB that could mask some of our problems...

look at our team position by position and count the number of players you think could start for other teams.... I don't think you'd get enough to field a offense or defense.  Marshall is really a disappointment!    I can understand at times he and the QB not being on the same page but the drops and lack of effort at times is really bothersome.

[MikeO]

There is talent on this team...      

Aside from Long....where is the talent? Dansby has been OK since coming over but hasn't lived up to his contract. Marshall has been awful. Pouncey looks OK but only 4 games.

Where is the talent? Not being sarcastic, its a serious question.

[Dave Gray]

I see your point Dave but I still disagree. Houston, NE, and SD are playoff teams. Who are we losing that we shouldn't be too?

And we lost to the Browns when the Browns didn't have their best player. How much more of a gift do ya want?

Yeah, we're worse than the teams we've been playing (short of the Browns).

NE, SD, and Houston are much better teams, and should win.  But we should have (and we outplayed) the Browns.  I also suspect that there will be a similar outcome with teams like the Chiefs and Broncos.  We're probably better, but we may lose those games.

I think we can't just see 0-4 = sucks.  Because we still have big, big, big problems had we managed to squeak out wins today and in Cleveland.