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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2011, 12:34:13 pm »

^ I think that's unfortuante.

I'm not saying that Cameron would've worked out.  I just think that people looked at a really bad team and blamed Cameron for a lot of things over which he had no control.

He did lose the locker room, and if he was unable to crack the whip and put players in their place, his departure was justified.
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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2011, 12:57:00 pm »

The guy is an offensive genuis that just isn't cut out to be a head coach.  He was a bad talent evaluator, a bad game strategist, and a bad leader of men.  The head coach has to be strong in all three areas in order to be successful in this league. 

He needed to be fired, not for the results of the season, but the fact that he lost the locker room. 

you nailed all three areas that a HC has to be.  he was NONE of these.
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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2011, 01:35:27 pm »

In 2007, there were something like 13 starters on IR.  I don't think ANY team in the NFL would win many games with 13 starters on IR.
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« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2011, 02:21:53 pm »

Brian, not all of those guys were IR from day 1. And Dave, a few of those guys on that bad team were brought in by Cam.
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« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2011, 02:29:43 pm »

I'm drawing from memory, so this may be wrong, but I think this is how it was:

Cameron traded away Chris Chambers.  It was a good decision for the team.  However, it was a bad trade for Cameron, personally.  He sacrificed that year for the future.  ...a future he never had the chance to be a part of.

I respect him for that.
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« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2011, 02:43:50 pm »

CamCam got his last laugh when the Ravens he was the OC for beat his former Fins in the playoffs the next year.

Is the best legacy of CamCam's time in Miami drafting punter Brandon Fields? 
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« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2011, 03:11:01 pm »

He didn't have a legacy.  That's kinda the point.

Anything he did was discarded/traded away almost immediately.
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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2011, 05:29:04 pm »

Pretty much any pick except brady quinn there was going to get shit on.

Although I was not particularly excited about the Ginn pick I was thrilled not to have picked this over hyped nothing of a QB. I absolutely wanted no part of Brady Quinn and still don't.

I think Cam had to go only because he lost the players. I think most coaches need more than 1 season to put their plan in place but he had no control over the locker room and I do not think that was going to change!!!!!
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« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2011, 05:46:32 pm »

I also didn't want any part of Brady Quinn.  I was confused by the Ginn pick, but just didn't see the talent in Quinn.  It's surprising to hear so many of us say this, after the fact, but I swear, it was true for me, then.
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« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2011, 06:00:28 pm »

It's surprising to hear so many of us say this, after the fact, but I swear, it was true for me, then.

As it was for me I know I posted here about not wanting any part of Quinn and cheered while watching the draft and not hearing his named called for us. I did not even hear who we picked I just knew it wasn't Brady Quinn!!!! I at least had some hope for Ted Ginn and his family once I saw the pick!!!!!
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« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2011, 06:27:56 pm »

I also didn't want any part of Brady Quinn.  I was confused by the Ginn pick, but just didn't see the talent in Quinn.  It's surprising to hear so many of us say this, after the fact, but I swear, it was true for me, then.

I wanted nothing to do with Quinn and DEFINITELY not Ted Ginn.....the same Ginn that scored on an opening TD return in the NCG against the Gators and then promptly hurts his leg/knee (?) celebrating and sits out the rest of the game.  THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME and you never make it back no the field?!?!?!  wow.  talk about mental toughness.

I wanted Patrick Willis from Ole Miss.  I follow Bama and he was ALL OVER the field in the game they played and fell short by a FG to Bama.  I think he actually played with a cast wrapped up on his right arm in the game.

NOW THAT  was mental toughness.  shit, I wish we had him.
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« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2011, 06:54:17 pm »

^ I think that's unfortuante.

I'm not saying that Cameron would've worked out.  I just think that people looked at a really bad team and blamed Cameron for a lot of things over which he had no control.

He did lose the locker room, and if he was unable to crack the whip and put players in their place, his departure was justified.

Cam had our ONLY offensive weapon (Ronnie) returning kickoffs. How stupid would it have been if Ronnie got hurt on a kickoff return?! He was our ONLY offensive player that was any good. Cam was risking him on stupid run backs of kicks something Ronnie hadn't done his first 2 years in the league! Cam was dumb!
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« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2011, 06:55:04 pm »

I'm drawing from memory, so this may be wrong, but I think this is how it was:

Cameron traded away Chris Chambers.  It was a good decision for the team.  However, it was a bad trade for Cameron, personally.  He sacrificed that year for the future.  ...a future he never had the chance to be a part of.

I respect him for that.

Chambers sucked at that point anyway. The fact we got a 2nd round pick for him was genius and a steal
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« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2011, 06:51:09 pm »

I said this when they canned him.

He went 1-15 and didn't seem to know what he was doing sometimes or have control of the team (Joey Porter in Pittsburgh comes to mind) so I can see why he went.  That team was already a disaster from how Saban left it though.

Howsoever, it wasn't his fault that we were signing people's sisters and signing players based on passport eligibility because the team was so racked with injuries.  I didn't like the Trent Green signing.  I figured at the time if you're going to do that you might as well sign Brady Quinn (or just play John Beck) I had a bigger problem with that because the guy was so injury prone than I had with them signing Ted Ginn.  The Ginn signing turned out to mean that we spent a first round pick on a kick returner with bad hands.   

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