2012 Draft ROUNDS 2-3

[Tenshot13]

Moving on the rounds 2 and 3.  We should draft the best available player in a position of need.  That would be SS/FS, TE, OG/RT and CB.  I'm not going to go past round three, only because the choices and round selections get pretty blurred.

2nd ROUND

Dwayne Allen TE Clemson - I've watched film on him, and he seems like a pretty well rounded TE. He can catch and block very well.  Sometimes lacks concentration and runs lazy routes.  Drops passes from time to time.  Isn't slow, but isn't fast either.  Walterfootball.com has us taking him in his latest mock draft.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LpjcojhNdk

Chase Minnifield CB Virginia - Decent size at 6-0 185 lbs.  Attacks the ball in jump ball situations.  Has the speed to keep up with deep threat receivers.  Blankets receivers pretty well.  Has shown big hit ability.  Can be washed by larger blockers.  Plays physical which sometimes results in late hits and PI calls.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xjk1Tuy-yQ&feature=related

Barrett Jones OT Alabama - Versatile, played OG last year and transitioned to LT this year.  I see him as a RT in the NFL.  Great size at 6-5 311 lbs.

Kelechi Osemele OT/G Iowa State - Another versatile player who can play OT or G.  Huge guy at 6-5 347 lbs, but is still light on his feet.

Ray Armstrong S Miami -Great size for a safety at 6-4 220 lbs.  A bit of an underachiever, but has the physical tools and huge upside.  Plays lazy at times.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puUXLUpjps8

T.J. McDonald FS USC - Great size at 6-2 205 lbs.  Ball hawk.  Can deliver the big hit, but is mostly a sure wrap-up tackler.  Seems to always be around the ball.  Has been known to bite on play-action.  Has been beat more than a few times one-on-one in the open field.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIx37YX6C2Y

Robert Lester FS Alabama - Plays with great awareness.  Has soft hands and rarely drops an INT chance.  Adjusts to the ball well when in the air.  Not a big hitter, but a solid wrap up tackler.  Can easily get washed by larger blockers.  Seems he plays slow to me on gameday.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjvhYLMdfrU

Mark Baron SS Alabama - Sure tackler that has a lot of pop to his hits.  Very aggressive, which sometimes leads to over-pursues, but also is good when jarring the ball loose.  Good size at 6-2 215 lbs.  Usually blankets receivers, but has been know to be beat deep.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmCX6Jxmjb8

Vinny Curry DE/OLB Marshall - Okay size at 6-5 252 lbs., but would benefit from bulking up another 15-20 lbs.  Great hand battling.  Good pass rush moves like swim and rip.  Gets a great jump on the snap.  Excellent outside contain and running up the line when the play is away from him.  If he doesn't get the blocker off balance, he gets overpowered.  Purely a finesse pass rusher.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sslDB7OXUpc

3RD ROUND

Coby Fleener TE Stanford - Great size at 6-6 248 lbs.  I've seen a few Stanford games and he seems to be one of Luck's favorite targets.  He is a talented pass catcher who isn't lazy with his routes.  He is also an above average blocker.  I think it would be a good idea to draft him if we get Luck in the 1st, since they are already familiar with each other.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VntqR5-2Ng

Ryan Miller G Colorado - Plays guard, but will probably transition to RT in the NFL due to his size at 6-8 310 lbs.

Brandon Lindsey DE Pitt - Bull rushing DE that get's excellent penetration.  Plays bigger than his size at 6-2 250 lbs.  Inconsistent on jump at the snap...sometimes great, sometimes late.  Stood up when playing against a stronger OL.  Not much finesse.  If he wants to be a bull rusher on the NFL level, he needs to bulk up another 20 lbs.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt0rYekzMHo&feature=related



If it were me, I'd take Luck or Jones in the first round, Chase Minnifield in the second (I know that CB is something we can get by with next year, but Minnifield impressed me the most out of the above selections), and Coby Fleener in the third.  We can then spend the rest of the draft addressing OL, DE/OLB and SS/FS.

[masterfins]

After drafting a QB, I'd like to see some help on defense...CB, MLB, pass rushing end.  Hopefully there is a offensive line upgrade available through free agency.

[MikeO]

After drafting a QB, I'd like to see some help on defense...CB, MLB, pass rushing end.  Hopefully there is a offensive line upgrade available through free agency.

When we take a QB in Rd 1 then we better help the kid out and not throw him to the wolves. Give him some weapons, check that A WEAPON since we have few (I argue none but we have some Marshall lovers here). And give him protection so we don't "david carr-his-ass" into the ground and ruin him.

Defense can wait, its all about the quarterback and putting him in a position to succeed.

[Tenshot13]

When we take a QB in Rd 1 then we better help the kid out and not throw him to the wolves. Give him some weapons, check that A WEAPON since we have few (I argue none but we have some Marshall lovers here). And give him protection so we don't "david carr-his-ass" into the ground and ruin him.

Defense can wait, its all about the quarterback and putting him in a position to succeed.

I agree to a point.  I believe that we can get an Olineman in the later rounds.  There is an estimated 21 Olineman projected to go in the first 3 rounds.  At least one of them will drop to the 4th round, where I think we should get one.  Conversely, there are only 9 Safeties and 10 OLB/DEs projected in the first three rounds.  CB could probably wait seeing as there are 20 projected in the first three rounds, but you won't get someone with the caliber of Minnifield's talent.

Having said all that, I'd be perfectly happy taking an Olineman in the 2nd and TE Coby Fleener in the third.  We could solidify our Oline and have a dual TE attack like the Patriots have (Clay/Fleener).

[MikeO]

I agree to a point.  I believe that we can get an Olineman in the later rounds.  There is an estimated 21 Olineman projected to go in the first 3 rounds.  At least one of them will drop to the 4th round, where I think we should get one.  Conversely, there are only 9 Safeties and 10 OLB/DEs projected in the first three rounds.  CB could probably wait seeing as there are 20 projected in the first three rounds, but you won't get someone with the caliber of Minnifield's talent.

We are at least 2 years away from being decent. Screw Defense. It's all about getting the QB and building around him NOW.

Defense can wait. Enough monkey business with this franchise and the QB position. Get a QB, build up the offense around him and everything else will take care of itself in time. Don't ruin this QB by getting cute and taking an OLB or a safety in round 2 or 3 and then go cheap and bring back Incognito or something at LG for a year which ends up getting our franchise QB killed.

[tubba marxxx]

If Miami does win the Andrew Luck sweepstakes, I agree with taking Coby Fleener TE from Stamford for that same exact reasons:  A young TE who Luck would be familiar with and comfortable with.


I like Tenshot's point about the number of linemen in this years draft.  It's deep,  All in all, Miami actually picked a good year to be terrible.  Lets just hope (for ONCE) the front office is smart.

[MikeO]

,  All in all, Miami actually picked a good year to be terrible.  Lets just hope (for ONCE) the front office is smart.

Actually next April's draft is considered one of the worst drafts in a long time according to many NFL scouts and such. Even if the "expected" juniors come out it doesn't help it much.

[Tenshot13]

We are at least 2 years away from being decent. Screw Defense. It's all about getting the QB and building around him NOW.

Defense can wait. Enough monkey business with this franchise and the QB position. Get a QB, build up the offense around him and everything else will take care of itself in time. Don't ruin this QB by getting cute and taking an OLB or a safety in round 2 or 3 and then go cheap and bring back Incognito or something at LG for a year which ends up getting our franchise QB killed.

I don't mind your way of thinking.  The biggest hole we have on defense is safety, and no one really impresses me at that position this year.  I wouldn't mind going OL in round two.  My only beef is taking an Olineman when a better player at another position, that we will eventually have to fill, is sitting there.  Are you okay with drafting an Olineman whose maybe above average vs. a player who could be the next LaMarr Woodley or Jarrius Bryd?  It would still be filling a need with a superior prospect, just not the one you want.  Now, if the Olineman is the best player on the board, that's another story.

[Tenshot13]

I also want to add, look at the past few years drafts.  There are few hits and a ton of misses, not only from MIA but everyone.  When you see a special talent, especially in the later rounds, you have to take him, regardless if it's a primary or secondary need.

[MikeO]

I don't mind your way of thinking.  The biggest hole we have on defense is safety, and no one really impresses me at that position this year.  I wouldn't mind going OL in round two.  My only beef is taking an Olineman when a better player at another position, that we will eventually have to fill, is sitting there.  Are you okay with drafting an Olineman whose maybe above average vs. a player who could be the next LaMarr Woodley or Jarrius Bryd?  It would still be filling a need with a superior prospect, just not the one you want.  Now, if the Olineman is the best player on the board, that's another story.

It's all about the QB!!!! Everything is about the QB. Nothing else matters. Putting our "franchise QB" in the best situation possible. PERIOD! End of story! Nothing else matters!!!

It's a QB league. Everything else is secondary. Take a QB with our first pick. Then build up around him. TE, OL, WR.....I don't care. Just offensive players. We aren't winning the super bowl next year or the year after. Every other hole can wait. We can't take a QB then put crap around him. We will david carr his ass into the ground and it will ruin him.  Through free agency and the draft we better have a solid unit around our next QB.

NOW....If we go out there and sign 2 o-linemen in free agency in March and a tight end and a WR. Yeah fine come rounds 2 and 3, go defense....maybe. I still wouldn't do it but I wouldn't go nuts if they did.  But if we do little in free agency to support our new YOUNG QB, then in the draft it better just be about the offense.

Bottom line, Miami next offseason will need 3 new starters on the o-line to go with Pouncey/Long. They will need a legit NFL tight end. And probably a #1 WR since I think Marshall has played his way out of Miami with his off the field antics, his drops, and comments this year in the press. I doubt a new coach will want that headcase making a tough job tougher for them. And I keep saying it, since week 1.....the defense hasn't played awful. In fact its been good most weeks. The numbers don't lie! The secondary needs work and another pass rusher wouldn't hurt. But this defense hasn't been bad weeks 2-8. It's not perfect, its not great....but it isn't all that bad either. On the list of this teams problems defense is on the lower half of the list.

[Sunstroke]

If I could toss a really early quarter into the Gatorade Wishing Well, Miami's draft would look something like...

1) QB Andrew Luck
2) OG Cordy Glenn
3)  S Markelle Martin
4) DE Andre Branch

TE & WR prospects in the later rounds ...

[tubba marxxx]

If I could toss a really early quarter into the Gatorade Wishing Well, Miami's draft would look something like...

1) QB Andrew Luck
2) OG Cordy Glenn
3)  S Markelle Martin
4) DE Andre Branch

TE & WR prospects in the later rounds ...

I'd take this

[Tenshot13]

If I could toss a really early quarter into the Gatorade Wishing Well, Miami's draft would look something like...

1) QB Andrew Luck
2) OG Cordy Glenn
3)  S Markelle Martin
4) DE Andre Branch

TE & WR prospects in the later rounds ...

I agree with this except for Martin in round 3

Judge for yourself.  I would recommend finding additional videos other than this one to make a judgment though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWJPRj3XhnY


I like how he keeps everything in front of him, and he's great in the open field, but he doesn't really have play-making ability.  He plays smart, but passive.  He's not going to get beat for that big play, but he's not going to make a big play either.

I like Andre Branch, but he might be a developmental guy.  He plays with a ton of intenisty, which I love.  He is strong enough to bull rush and agile enough for finesse moves like spins and swims.  He's quick off the snap on passing downs.  On the other hand, on rushing downs he has a wait and see approach.  He sometimes sacrifices outside contain to make plays in the backfield, and that backfires for big gains on the outside.  Also, I doubt he falls to round 4.  He'll be a late 2nd-early 3rd round pick IMO.  He's raw, but has a ton of upside.  Again, judge for yourself....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QIwhzNts8Y

TE Coby Fleener for me.  I do this every year.  I find a player that I think is great, then get pissed when we don't draft them.

2007 it was Brady Quinn
2008 it was Jake Long
2009 it was Alex Mack
2010 it was Dan Williams
2011 it was Pouncey, but was more excited about Mallet in round 2 and we didn't take him
2012....Luck or Jones or course, then Minnifiled, but especially Fleener.

[Tenshot13]

It's all about the QB!!!! Everything is about the QB. Nothing else matters. Putting our "franchise QB" in the best situation possible. PERIOD! End of story! Nothing else matters!!!

It's a QB league. Everything else is secondary. Take a QB with our first pick. Then build up around him. TE, OL, WR.....I don't care. Just offensive players. We aren't winning the super bowl next year or the year after. Every other hole can wait. We can't take a QB then put crap around him. We will david carr his ass into the ground and it will ruin him.  Through free agency and the draft we better have a solid unit around our next QB

I smell what your cooking, but again I have to point out how hit and miss draft picks are.  Jerry was a 3rd round pick right?  He's been terrible.  If we get someone who is a superior talent on defense vs. an above average talent on the Oline, I believe we have to go with the better player.  That can also help whatever QB we draft.  A defense that shuts down the opposing offense gives more opportunities to the other offense to score.

[tubba marxxx]

I smell what your cooking, but again I have to point out how hit and miss draft picks are.  Jerry was a 3rd round pick right?  He's been terrible.  If we get someone who is a superior talent on defense vs. an above average talent on the Oline, I believe we have to go with the better player.  That can also help whatever QB we draft.  A defense that shuts down the opposing offense gives more opportunities to the other offense to score.

I'm not trying to stir up any off topic argument, but in today's game, defense will no longer win championships.  The Giants super bowl win was the last evidence of defense winning championships.  It will help you win some games, yes.  The most glaring hole in the defense in the secondary, and a ball hawking safety will help fix that.  Outside of safety, the offense needs to be the vocal point again in the draft.  QB, S, TE, two OGs, OT, and maybe WR depending on what will happen with Marshall (if anything), should be the vocal point.