Players with trade value

[Sunstroke]

If Luck is as good as they say, I'd trade the farm.

We throw away #1 picks on crap all the time.  I'd pay whatever it took to get as close to a sure thing as possible. 

Would you make the deal as I laid it out above? The #2 overall (or Landry Jones, just to put a face on it), plus our 2nd round pick (#34 overall), plus the next year's first rounder...for the right to select Andrew Luck at #1?

[Landshark]

If Indy has 1 and MIA has 2, I say fuck Indy....let them pick who they'll pick.  If it's Luck, great, we take Landry Jones.  If it's someone else, great we get Luck.  If it's a trade up with another team, great we get Landry Jones. 

More than likely, it will be a trade up with another team.

...and even then, it will still likely take a whopper of a package, like our #2 overall pick, plus a second rounder this year and a first rounder next year. That may be a steep price, but if the rest of the QB-needy bottom-feeder teams recognize #1 to be the case, Indy will be receiving ridiculous offers left and right in the days leading up to the draft, all reported, tweeted and retweeted every 15 minutes. It will be straight-up Barnum and fucking Bailey

You're spot on about this.  If the Dolphins end up with the #2 pick, some team below them is going to offer more to move up to #1.  The reason is, the further down you are, the more it costs to move up.  Indy will grab those picks if they think they can win another title with Manning because they need more picks to restock their roster.

[Pappy13]

Would you make the deal as I laid it out above? The #2 overall (or Landry Jones, just to put a face on it), plus our 2nd round pick (#34 overall), plus the next year's first rounder...for the right to select Andrew Luck at #1?

The question is not would I make the trade, the question is would Indy?

What I find interesting is that almost no one thinks that trading up for Luck is possible and yet at the same time no one seems to think that trading for Peyton Manning is possible either. If I'm Indy I'm doing one or the other for the overall good of the team.

[Phishfan]

You have my position wrong Pappy. I don't think trading for Peyton is impossible. I think it is unwise. I don't think you would get enough return on a QB of his age with a neck problem.

[Pappy13]

You have my position wrong Pappy. I don't think trading for Peyton is impossible. I think it is unwise. I don't think you would get enough return on a QB of his age with a neck problem.

If it's unwise for the Dolphins than it should be wise for Indy, shouldn't it?

Maybe trading Manning to Miami is not the right trade, but trading one or the other I believe is the right thing to do if you are Indy.  If you decide you are going to keep Manning then trade the 1st pick and get something for it. If you trade with Miami, you could still pick Landry Jones with the 2nd pick and maybe get an additional 2nd round pick out of it and possibly more. How's that a bad move? On the other hand if you trade Manning to someone, like say oh maybe Tennessee, you can start Luck next year and get an additional second round pick or something, maybe more. How's that a bad move? If you're Tennessee would you make that move? I'd be tempted.

[Phishfan]

Since we aren't Indy fans, we really aren't talking about what is good for Indy. We are discussing what trades would be good for Miami.

[Pappy13]

Well you can't really discuss one intelligently without discussing the other in my opinion, but maybe that's for another thread.

[Dave Gray]

Would you make the deal as I laid it out above? The #2 overall (or Landry Jones, just to put a face on it), plus our 2nd round pick (#34 overall), plus the next year's first rounder...for the right to select Andrew Luck at #1?

Yes.

[AZ Fins Fan 55]

Would you make the deal as I laid it out above? The #2 overall (or Landry Jones, just to put a face on it), plus our 2nd round pick (#34 overall), plus the next year's first rounder...for the right to select Andrew Luck at #1?

If this was the only way to make it happen and we were dead set on wanting Luck and nothing less then yes make it happen. He is supposed to be the next best thing in the NFL when it comes to QB's.

[Brian Fein]

If Luck is as good as they say, I'd trade the farm.

We throw away #1 picks on crap all the time.  I'd pay whatever it took to get as close to a sure thing as possible. 

Wow, I couldn't disagree more.

You are so willing to go all-in on a "supposed to be" player that you'd mortgage the future?  This from the same guy that's so concerned about the future that you're wearing a Redskins jersey next Sunday.

Just because so-called "experts" say he's "supposed to be" a "sure thing" doesn't make it so.  I'd rather draft 3 or 4 quality guys and a #2 QB than a #1 QB and no one else.

[EKnight]

I don't follow the logic there. We have tried drafting a bunch of quality guys and looking into the second round for a QB for the past few years, and here we sit at 1-7. What's to lose? Honestly, at this point, I'm like "take a chance." Bunch of people thought ATL was nuts for trading as much as they did for Julio Jones, but it took one play yesterday to convince me it was worth it. Trade 1st rounders, throw in a second rounder, add the water boy, throw in some towels and a golf vacation- whatever. New England looks to be declining this year; you can bet they will restock HARD in the offseason. All of a sudden Buffalo seems legit, and the Jets are at least an 8-8 team every year. Miami keeps drafting really good role players, we're going to keep struggling with a third of the schedule minimum when we play the rest of the East. -EK

[MikeO]

Indy won't trade Luck. Everyone with this pipe dream that they is wasting their time. They will talk Peyton off the ledge and tell Luck this is a good thing. They will make it work. Polian is one of the best in the business for a reason.

[Pappy13]

^^Why are you just assuming that the best situation is to have both Manning and Luck on your roster?  You yourself have said that the days of drafting a rookie QB and sitting him on the bench for a couple years to groom him behind a veteran are gone. Why not pick one and get what you can for the other one? That seems like getting the most bang for your buck. Having both of them on your roster is simply a waist of talent.

Now that's just my opinion, you may have a different one and Indy might too, but you seem to be implying that it's the only logical thing to do and I don't think it is. It's the "safe" thing to do, but not necessarily the best thing to do.

[MikeO]

^^Why are you just assuming that the best situation is to have both Manning and Luck on your roster?  You yourself have said that the days of drafting a rookie QB and sitting him on the bench for a couple years to groom him behind a veteran are gone. Why not pick one and get what you can for the other one? That seems like getting the most bang for your buck. Having both of them on your roster is simply a waist of talent.

Now that's just my opinion, you may have a different one and Indy might too, but you seem to be implying that it's the only logical thing to do and I don't think it is. It's the "safe" thing to do, but not necessarily the best thing to do.

Those days are long gone, but Polian is going to find a way at least for 1 year to make it work. He will want to look like the evil genius around the league who has both Manning and Luck. Just my prediction. It's an ego stroke thing with him. He loves the media attention and will want to be the guy who had both Manning and Luck on the team at the same time.

If they don't go that way, then Peyton I think will be gone and they will stick with Luck if they have to pick one. We will see.

[Spider-Dan]

The most recent rumor I heard floating around was that if IND, STL, or CAR gets the #1 and trades it, it will cost somewhere in the range of four first-round picks.

Big boys only at the table, please.