If you don't like Tim Tebow as a person....who is the ideal sports role model?

[shamrock]

I don't know if there is such a thing as an ideal sports role model,but I gotta say I think Aaron Rodgers is a class guy.He patiently waited his turn and kept his mouth shut during the Favre debacle in Green Bay,made the most of it when he got his shot(understatement),and I like the way he carries himself on and off the field.Rodgers is also a christian,and recently,when asked about all the Tebow craze and how he deals with his own personal faith,he referrenced the famous quote from St. Francis of Assisi,"preach the gospel at all times and when necessary use words". nice.

[Spider-Dan]

EKnight, this may be hard to understand, but when you are saying that one thing is better than another, it is common to compare and contrast the two things you are evaluating.

So yes, every "attack" I have made on Tebow is for the purposes of showing that Warner has been a better role model, in the sense of working your way up from the bottom instead of having things handed to you.  If explaining all the advantages that Tebow has been given (and Warner has not) is upsetting to you... well, that's too bad.

[Dave Gray]

There are quite a lot of people who only listen to Christian music.

Yeah, that's weird.

[MikeO]

I don't know if there is such a thing as an ideal sports role model,

Every "sports role model" debate begins and ends with Pat Tillman. There are a lot of good guys in sports, Rodgers as you mentioned is one no doubt.

But "role model"...Pat Tillman. Until someone can give me another that surpasses him, he holds the #1 spot probably forever!

[tubba marxxx]

Every "sports role model" debate begins and ends with Pat Tillman. There are a lot of good guys in sports, Rodgers as you mentioned is one no doubt.

But "role model"...Pat Tillman. Until someone can give me another that surpasses him, he holds the #1 spot probably forever!

HM to Larry Fitzgerald

[Dave Gray]

Tillman was an atheist, though, which automatically disqualifies him from many people's lists as a role model.

[BigDaddyFin]

Tillman was an atheist, though, which automatically disqualifies him from many people's lists as a role model.

I wouldn't see it as an automatic disqualification.  It would make me look more closely at what a guy does in his spare time.  For example, does he give a lot of his money away to charity?  Does he do things in the community (not the nfl sponsored shit, but did he show up at a soup kitchen every week or drop a hundred grand on some poor widow's doorstep)  Things like that.

[MikeO]

Tillman was an atheist, though, which automatically disqualifies him from many people's lists as a role model.

He gave up and walked away from millions of dollars and an easy life and gave his life fighting for this country overseas. What does one's religion have to do with being a role model? It wasn't like the guy was preaching the word of Satan to kids in school yard.

I don't care what his religion (or non religion) is, the guy is a role model.

[BigDaddyFin]

It's not even that I don't like Tim Tebow.  Even as a devout Baptist and former devout Catholic and 12 years of religious studies I don't get the guy.

[Dave Gray]

I don't care what his religion (or non religion) is, the guy is a role model.

I'm not saying that he's not.  I'm just telling you that much of the country would think he's not.  Atheists are the country's least trusted demographic.

[tubba marxxx]

^^ This could potentially open up the biggest double standard argument ever

[bsmooth]

I'm not saying that he's not.  I'm just telling you that much of the country would think he's not.  Atheists are the country's least trusted demographic.

Considering we have only elected "people with religion" I find this statement truly hilarious.

[Spider-Dan]

Dave's statement is 100% true.  The gays, the Muslims, the immigrants... all of them poll higher than atheists.

Thus, it is not surprising that Pat Tillman's family was attacked by an Army officer for their lack of belief.  This is also the reason why many conservatives reject the idea that Tillman was an atheist.

[CF DolFan]

Yeah, that's weird.

Being a geek is weird to most people too. Wierd is obviously a perspective thing. Listening to Christian music is no different than listening to classical or punk. It's a preference.

BTW ... I think the average person would say Tillman is a good role model. Regardless of his faith he chose to put money on hold to go and fight for this country.  If that's not someone to look up to in this country that was founded by men and women just like him then I don't understand the term "role model".

[EKnight]

Anyone who is a pacifist, did not believe in the war, or who believes human life is sacred and looking up to people whose job it is to take that life would have a hard time with the Tillman argument. -EK