Henne or Moore

[el diablo]

Without question, Moore. The only problem is with the new head coach, comes a possible new OC. I still say they are a RT & a WR away from making yesterday look more routine. A drafted QB with new coaches means they are two years away from where they are right now.

[jtex316]

Keep Moore, draft a 1st round QB and let them duke it out in preseason. Let Henne go, and get rid of JP Losman. Keep Devlin as #3

This would be what should happen in a "normal" situation. The Dolphins are not normal.

[Pappy13]

He is not a mobile QB, he plays behind the best o-line in the NFL.  Is the Dolphins going to trade for the o-line as well?

There's a LOT more to not getting hit besides being mobile. Actually if you were to check the records, some of the MOST mobile QB's are the ones that got sacked the most often. Guys like Marino and Manning actually throw the ball away a LOT more than the average QB to avoid being sacked. I'm not sure if Marino's the best ever at it, but he's close if not the best. Manning is right behind him and the rest...well they are WELL behind them, getting sacked sometimes 2 and 3 times more often. Marino and Manning didn't play behind the greatest lines of all time their entire careers, they simply got rid of the ball before the defense could get to them. Guys like Elway, Young and Staubach basically never threw the ball away, they simply ran around until they either found someone open or got sacked.

Here's some shocking stats for you to ponder.


Player    Sacks  Attempts/Sack
Marino    270    30.96
Manning   227    30.70
Favre     503    19.50
Aikman    259    18.20
Fouts     319    17.57
Montana   313    17.22
Moon      458    14.90
Kelly     323    14.80
Elway     516    14.05
Tarkenton 483    13.39
Young     358    11.59
Griese    335    10.24
Staubach  313     9.45


And what about Curtis Painter?  With the same offensive line that Manning normally plays behind, he's been sacked 16 times in 243 attempts.  That's a 15.19 rate, more than twice as often as Peyton. So the question is did Indy's offensive line suddenly suck or does Painter simply get sacked about twice as often because he's not Peyton?

[EKnight]

Mobility doesn't matter to this part of the discussion. Manning's stats were declining BEFORE the surgery. Now he's going to be 36, having taken a year off, and coming off of spinal fusion. You really believe that he's going to be the same player he was five years ago? I mean damn, I HOPE he is. Irrespective of who he plays for, I'm a Manning fan. I think he's a class act and unbelievable player. But I'm also a subscriber to logic, and logic tells me he's not going to be the great player he was. He may not even be good. At his age and under the circumstances I'm inclined to believe he will be average. Somewhere in the 10-20 range of QB's. Is that really a significant upgrade over Moore, and at what cost? -EK

[Pappy13]

Manning's stats were declining BEFORE the surgery. Now he's going to be 36, having taken a year off, and coming off of spinal fusion. You really believe that he's going to be the same player he was five years ago?

Nope. Don't expect him to be. I'll take what he was in 2010. That's better than anything the Dolphins have had on their roster since Marino.

Yes, he's declined pretty much every year since 2004 and yet he's still one of the top QB's in the league.  Besides you are acting as if this injury just occurred.  I believe Peyton played most of 2010 with this problem and just dealt with the pain, but the pain had gotten too severe by the end of the year and he had to have something done. This surgery is supposed to relieve that pain. It's possible he could come back and play better than he has since the injury occurred.

[MikeO]

Moore is a much better player than Henne.

Henne is a FA in 2 weeks and he will be lucky to find an NFL bench next year in all honesty. Coming off a major injury and 4 years of poor play. He is a league minimum type of guy who will have to fight for a back-up spot. Chad Henne=Matt Lienert. Their careers are very similar on the field in the NFL.

Keep Moore obviously since he is already under contract and incase we get screwed in the draft and come up empty handed in Rd 1. Plus Moore is a capable backup in this league.

[Spider-Dan]

I would be happy to have the Manning of two years ago, considering that he won the MVP that year.

[Pappy13]

Henne is a FA in 2 weeks and he will be lucky to find an NFL bench next year in all honesty. Coming off a major injury...

To his non throwing shoulder? Please. I read something just this morning that said that Henne was put on injured reserve because the Dolphins were already 0-4 and basically they were giving up on Henne and going with Matt Moore for the rest of the year regardless of what happened. That was pure speculation, but it is strange that a QB with a seperated non throwing shoulder was put on injured reserve 4 weeks into the season. I don't think they really wanted the spectre of Henne coming back at the end of the season and playing and then having to decide whether to offer him a contract or not. They were done with Henne, but that doesn't mean that Henne is done in the NFL. Look around the league. There are plenty of backup QB's holding down backup spots in the league. Henne will land somewhere next year and I wouldn't be surprised if he's starting again for someone within a year or 2, it just won't be with Miami.

[MikeO]

To his non throwing shoulder? Please. I read something just this morning that said that Henne was put on injured reserve because the Dolphins were already 0-4 and basically they were giving up on Henne and going with Matt Moore for the rest of the year regardless of what happened. That was pure speculation, but it is strange that a QB with a seperated non throwing shoulder was put on injured reserve 4 weeks into the season. I don't think they really wanted the spectre of Henne coming back at the end of the season and playing and then having to decide whether to offer him a contract or not. They were done with Henne, but that doesn't mean that Henne is done in the NFL. Look around the league. There are plenty of backup QB's holding down backup spots in the league. Henne will land somewhere next year and I wouldn't be surprised if he's starting again for someone within a year or 2, it just won't be with Miami.

Henne needed surgery, that is why he went on IR.  The man can't play, in his 3 games this year he was decent in the first and bad in the next 2. Moore came in with the same surrounding cast and played better. And Moore didn't have a year or more experience playing with guys like Bees, Fasano, Hartline, Marshall...etc. That's all you need to know. Henne can't play in this league. Henne will get an offer to compete for a back-up job. But I think Henne is on the Leinart/Quinn NFL career path. Nobody will hand him a #2 QB position, not with the way he has played in his career. He hasn't earned it. He's been terrible.

[mecadonzilla]

But I think Henne is on the Leinart/Quinn NFL career path. Nobody will hand him a #2 QB position, not with the way he has played in his career. He hasn't earned it. He's been terrible.

To compare Henne to those two is an insult.  He's much worse than both of them.  Both of these guys will be on an NFL roster next year, and I'm not so sure Henne will.

[Spider-Dan]

Henne isn't better than Curtis Painter, A.J Feeley, Caleb Hanie, or any number of other backups in the league?  He's mediocre, but mediocrity is pretty much what you expect from a backup.

I'm interested in why you think Quinn and Leinart are better than Henne.  Quinn has the worst stats of the three by far and Henne is superior to Leinart in nearly every category but win % (in which Leinart leads .444 to .419).

[mecadonzilla]

Henne will probably be on an NFL roster at some point in the future,  (lots of folks worse than him have gotten 2nd chances) but Henne needs to get his post-football resume' in order because it's highly doubtful he has a long term future in the NFL.

[DZA]

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NO way miami is not going to invest gettin him, sure hell no Phin want to see Tom Brady here as well.  It is time to start build towards something and its not going to start with getting broken QB's

[Cathal]

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NO way miami is not going to invest gettin him, sure hell no Phin want to see Tom Brady here as well.  It is time to start build towards something and its not going to start with getting broken QB's

I don't think you can call Peyton or Tom broken QB's. It makes sense that if either of them are available is to try and land one and draft a QB next year.

[BigDaddyFin]

Back on topic, Matt Moore has played better and something to be said for our offense scoring 30 points a game or more with him in there.