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« on: December 27, 2011, 11:22:52 am »
1. Indianapolis (2-13)
2. St. Louis (2-13)
3. Minnesota (3-12)
4. Cleveland (4-11)
5. Tampa Bay (4-11)
6. Jacksonville (4-11)
7. Washington (5-10)
8. Miami (5-10)

* Note: Draft order between 2-13, 4-11, and 5-10 teams not exact as SOS is not included here (Ex: CLE can be #4, #5, or #6 right now).

QB-draft-likelihood:

1. Indianapolis (2-13) - YES (P. Manning)
2. St. Louis (2-13) - NO (Bradford)
3. Minnesota (3-12) - NO (Ponder)
4. Cleveland (4-11) - NO (McCoy)
5. Tampa Bay (4-11) - NO (Freeman)
6. Jacksonville (4-11) - NO (Gabbert)
7. Washington (5-10) - YES (Grossman)
8. Miami (5-10) - YES (Moore)

Discuss.

Does one of the "NO" teams take a QB anyways?
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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2011, 12:21:46 pm »
I think Cleveland and Jacksonville are probably in the market.  I realize the GM for the Jags is still there and it would be a big move to admit he missed, but Gabbert has looked so incredibly bad that I think there is a decent chance he finds a way to spin things and get a second QB option.  It would be a first, but I can see it happening.

It would be better for a GM to fix his mistake than to keep an inadequate QB.  A mistake might get you fired but a bad QB will definately get you fired.
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2011, 12:34:10 pm »
CLE is definitely in the market.  McCoy was a 3rd round pick; Clausen was a 2nd and CAR had no problem drafting Newton.  In fact, I'd say CLE is the single most likely landing spot for Luck right now, with WAS and MIA following behind (I still think all three of those teams are more likely to end up with Luck than IND).

MIN and JAX spent a 1st on their QBs; the fact that JAX traded up to get Gabbert is going to make it extremely tough to cut bait after one season.
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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2011, 01:58:27 pm »
Keep in mind that Gabbert:

A. Did not expect Garrard to be cut 5 days before Game 1
B. Has the worst receiving corps in the history of the NFL (seriously, who the hell are those guys?)
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« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2011, 03:19:09 pm »
Quote from: Spider-Dan on December 27, 2011, 12:34:10 pm
CLE is definitely in the market.  McCoy was a 3rd round pick; Clausen was a 2nd and CAR had no problem drafting Newton.  In fact, I'd say CLE is the single most likely landing spot for Luck right now, with WAS and MIA following behind (I still think all three of those teams are more likely to end up with Luck than IND).

MIN and JAX spent a 1st on their QBs; the fact that JAX traded up to get Gabbert is going to make it extremely tough to cut bait after one season.


No way in hell they give up on McCoy without ANY other offensive weapon to help him out
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« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2011, 05:14:04 pm »
Cleveland is taking a QB most likely. McCoy has been beyond awful this year. Total regression.

Jax might too. Depends on their new owner and who he hires and such though.
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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2011, 05:17:26 pm »
Quote from: tubba marxxx on December 27, 2011, 03:19:09 pm

No way in hell they give up on McCoy without ANY other offensive weapon to help him out
McCoy is a 3rd round QB who has had 21 games to prove himself.  They gave up on Brady Quinn (a 1st rounder) after 14 games; what weapons did Quinn have?
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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2011, 05:46:55 pm »
Quote from: Spider-Dan on December 27, 2011, 05:17:26 pm
McCoy is a 3rd round QB who has had 21 games to prove himself.  They gave up on Brady Quinn (a 1st rounder) after 14 games; what weapons did Quinn have?

Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow Jr.   Laugh at them now, but it's more than McCoy ever had
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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2011, 07:56:25 pm »
That's better than Josh Cribbs and Peyton Hillis?

News to me.
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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2011, 08:13:18 pm »
Quote from: Spider-Dan on December 27, 2011, 07:56:25 pm
That's better than Josh Cribbs and Peyton Hillis?

News to me.

Peyton Hillis is a one year wonder and a fraud of a RB.  The Madden Curse never hit harder than it did to Hillis.  And for arguments sake a Running Back isn't a weapon for a QB.  A RB runs, a QB throws.  In order for a QB to be effective, he needs receivers.  Braylon Edwards's WORST year is still 100 yards better than Cribbs's BEST year.  That's not even including the average of 700 yards receiving and handful of scores you would get from Kellen Winslow Jr in Cleveland.  So, to recap, yes, in their prime,  Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow > Josh Cribbs and Peyton Hillis.   Sorry you missed the memo. 
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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2011, 12:52:47 am »
You could give McCoy weapons like Jerry Rice and Walter Payton, he still stinks.

Now if Holmgren isn't sold on RGIII or Landry Jones or they can't trade up for Luck, yeah its possible they don't take a QB in Rd 1. But I would be surprised if they didn't. McCoy was so bad this year it goes far beyond pinning it on "lack of weapons." The dude can't play.
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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2011, 02:21:20 am »
Quote from: tubba marxxx on December 27, 2011, 08:13:18 pm
Peyton Hillis is a one year wonder and a fraud of a RB.
This is as compared to... Braylon Edwards?

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And for arguments sake a Running Back isn't a weapon for a QB.
Ask a QB that's on a team with no running game whether a good RB is a weapon that helps him.

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So, to recap, yes, in their prime,  Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow > Josh Cribbs and Peyton Hillis.   Sorry you missed the memo.
That's interesting, because the memo that I did get says that Brady played a whopping 2.5 games with both of those players in 2008 (right before CLE got rid of Winslow) and 3 more games with Braylon Edwards in 2009 (right before CLE got rid of him too).  And I doubt I would consider 2008 Braylon's "prime," given that he led the league in drops that year.

McCoy has had 50% more games than Quinn was given to try to do something and he has completely failed.  McCoy is only a third-rounder.  If they have the chance to get Luck, CLE will cut him loose without a second thought.
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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2011, 05:54:19 pm »
Fine.  McCoy sucks.  I don't care anymore.
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2011, 11:37:25 pm »
Heather Cox of ESPN just reported during the insight.com bowl from the OU sideline that word around the OU team is that Landry Jones is going to declare for the NFL Draft and he will not return to college
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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2011, 11:46:38 pm »
Just about any of those teams ahead of us could be taking a quarterback, especially if their coach gets shitcanned in the offseason.
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