If the Dolphins are unable to draft a QB

[Landshark]

I set this up so as not to derail the draft order thread.  Do you think Indy would keep Peyton Manning if they are able to get Andrew Luck?  Will the Saints franchise Drew Brees?  Who else is out there?  Discuss

[tubba marxxx]

So we're assuming the Dolphins missed out on a QB in the draft right?  Okay


http://footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html

Drew Brees (NO)
Matt Flynn (GB)
Alex Smith (SF)
Kyle Orton (KC)
Jason Campbell (OAK)
Donovan McNabb (FA)
Chris Redman (ATL)
Derek Anderson (CAR)
Shaun Hill (DET)
Drew Stanton (DET)
Brady Quinn (DEN)
David Garrard (FA)
Luke McCown (JAC)
Chad Henne (MIA)
Sage Rosenfels (MIA)
David Carr (NYG)
Mark Brunell (NYJ)
Kevin O'Connell (NYJ)
Kyle Boller (OAK)
Vince Young (PHI)
Charlie Batch (PIT)
Dennis Dixon (PIT)
Byron Leftwich (PIT)
Charlie Whitehurst (SEA)
A.J. Feeley (STL)
Josh Johnson (TB)
Rex Grossman (WAS)
Richard Bartel (ARZ) - Restricted
Max Hall (ARZ) - Exclusive Rights
Tyler Palko (KC) - Restricted
Brian Hoyer (NE) - Restricted
Chase Daniel (NO) - Restricted



Take your pick




Brees -  Probably won't happen.  Miami has a history of passing on this guy

Flynn - I've heard a lot of great things about this kid.  Keep and eye out for this week's game against the Lions.  With the number 1 seed locked up, and the chase for perfection long gone, this should be the Matt Flynn audition for 31 other teams.  No sense in starting Aaron Rodgers and risking injury with everything locked up.

Alex Smith - Barring some DREADFUL playoff performance (see Jake Delhomme in 2007), Smith will probably be the guy in SF for a couple more years.  However, a trade for Colin Kaepernick become and interesting option.


I won't bother typing anymore because frankly, beyond Brees, Flynn, Kaepernick, or MAYBE a trade to Carolina for Jimmy Clausen, I don't see any QB on that list of Free Agents that would be considered an upgrade from Matt Moore.

[Dave Gray]

There's no reason for Brees to leave New Orleans.  He's an icon and he does well in that system.  He's won, he's rich, he's beloved.  This after he had trouble elsewhere.  I can't imagine either side ending that marriage.

If I was going to go after a QB, I'd go after Luck.  Trade away this draft and next year, too.  Then get free agents from there.  We have enough building blocks to get started.

[tubba marxxx]

There's no reason for Brees to leave New Orleans.  He's an icon and he does well in that system.  He's won, he's rich, he's beloved.  This after he had trouble elsewhere.  I can't imagine either side ending that marriage.

Supposedly the Saints can't afford to keep him without signing the franchise tag.  Which is something he's already said he wouldn't do.  So Brees being a FA might be more realistic than most people think

[MikeO]

Supposedly the Saints can't afford to keep him without signing the franchise tag.  Which is something he's already said he wouldn't do.  So Brees being a FA might be more realistic than most people think

The Saints will cut everyone else on their roster before getting rid of Brees.   And Brees has NO SAY in the franchise tag. Either he signs it or he doesn't play, it's that simple. There is a 0.0% chance Brees is a free agent.  Brees is not leaving New Orleans and its downright laughable to think so.

Flynn would be in play for a team like the Browns who owns 2 first round picks and one will be late (Atlanta's).

Alex Smith isn't very good. They don't ask him to do much in SF. Just not lose them the game essentially. He doesn't win games or make plays himself for the most part. If that team was in a decent division he wouldn't be having the year he is having.

[Pappy13]

Alex Smith isn't very good. They don't ask him to do much in SF. Just not lose them the game essentially. He doesn't win games or make plays himself for the most part. If that team was in a decent division he wouldn't be having the year he is having.

Reminds me a lot of the year that Pennington had in 2008.  Great year, wouldn't count on him doing it again.

[Sunstroke]

Reminds me a lot of the year that Pennington had in 2008.  Great year, wouldn't count on him doing it again.

Doesn't remind me much of Pennington at all. In 2008, Chad was 32 years old and had already gone under the knife twice for major shoulder surgeries.

Alex is 27, and doesn't have anywhere near the level of shoulder issues that Chad had.

I believe we can count on Alex having similar seasons for the next 2-3 years, or until Kaepernick shows that he's a better NFL QB and takes the reins of the 49ers offense.

[Brian Fein]

Trade away this draft and next year, too.  Then get free agents from there.  We have enough building blocks to get started.

This is the worst idea ever.  This is going ALL IN on one player.  If he busts, which is really 50/50, you are sunk for the next 4-8 seasons.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

There's no reason for Brees to leave New Orleans.  He's an icon and he does well in that system.  He's won, he's rich, he's beloved.  This after he had trouble elsewhere.  I can't imagine either side ending that marriage.

If I was going to go after a QB, I'd go after Luck.  Trade away this draft and next year, too.  Then get free agents from there.  We have enough building blocks to get started.

They said that about Montana, Bledsoe, Favre....

[Spider-Dan]

Bledsoe is not a reasonable comparison, since everyone expected Bledsoe to go when his backup won the first Super Bowl in the team's history.

As far as Montana and Favre go, given that Brees is 32, you're talking about SF letting Montana walk in 1988 or GB letting Favre walk in 2001.  Both ideas are absurd.

If you want to talk about NO letting Brees walk in 2016, sure, we can have a discussion.  But in 2011?  That's ludicrous.

[CF DolFan]

This is the worst idea ever.  This is going ALL IN on one player.  If he busts, which is really 50/50, you are sunk for the next 4-8 seasons.

Because drafting conservatively has gone so well for us? Am I missing something or aren't we, and haven't we been for a while, a crap team? There comes a time when you have to change up what you've been doing. When you've been bad as long as we have I wouldn't think it would be too difficult to take a risk or two.

[Brian Fein]

Trading away 2 entire drafts worth of picks for 1 player is not a risk, its insanity.  Why does everyone think this guy is such a sure thing? 

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Trading away 2 entire drafts worth of picks for 1 player is not a risk, its insanity.  Why does everyone think this guy is such a sure thing? 

Because he won the Heisman....oh shit....never mind. 

[Spider-Dan]

Yeah, Luck only finished second in the Heisman race.  That should negatively impact his pro value to exactly the same extent that it impacted two other highly-touted QBs, John Elway and Peyton Manning.

This isn't that complicated; scouts believe that Luck will have the same impact in the NFL that Elway had.  So you have two questions to answer:

1) Do you believe the scouts' assessment of Luck is accurate?
2) If so, would you be willing to give up two drafts to acquire 1983 John Elway?

If you don't think the assessment of Luck is accurate, then this is the easiest decision in the world: pass on Luck (and hope one of your rivals trades away their future for him instead).  But that's not really what we're talking about, is it?

If you do think the assessment is accurate, then how many picks is it worth to you to get that kind of QB on your roster?  Two 1sts?  Three 1sts?  It's all subjective at that point.

[masterfins]

I would be alright with trading this years' draft picks for Luck, or RGIII, but not future draft picks, that's just crazy.  If you think the Fins are laughing stocks now, it would be unbearable if they traded multiple drafts for one player.  Look how it worked out for Ditka and the Saints, or what Minny did in its wholesale trade with Dallas.