If the Dolphins are unable to draft a QB

[MikeO]

If Miami can't get a top QB in the draft, I would rather look at Matt Flynn from GB before going and looking at 2nd tier QB's in the draft. I know we have gone down the "other teams backups" route before and it blew up in our face, but Flynn might be a little different in that he might be able to actually play a little.

I don't know what GB expects for him in return, a 2nd rounder and I would think the Fins have to think long and hard about it. If its a conditional 3rd or something then you pull the trigger I would believe.

[MikeO]

And then take Barkley next year in the first round. Keep picking QB's in the first round till you hit on one. It's bound to be a better strategy than keep on picking offensive lineman in the first round.

Problem is you will probably need to be the worst team in the league to get Barkley and have the #1 pick. What Luck is this year, Barkley will be next year. The clear cut #1 overall pick most likely. Not as much hype as Luck but he will be "the guy" entering next year.

[tubba marxxx]

Touching back on this, because it's now painfully obvious that Miami is going to miss out on a QB again in the Draft (at least a first rounder).


:: sigh ::


Ok, so with the 8th/9th pick (depending on the coin toss with Carolina), I'd be okay with Miami drafting any of these guys:

Quinton Coples
Dre Kirkpatrick
Riley Reiff
Jonathan Martin
Devon Still
Mark Barron

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

Touching back on this, because it's now painfully obvious that Miami is going to miss out on a QB again in the Draft (at least a first rounder).

If there isn't a guy on the board that will clearly be significantly better than Moore.  Don't draft a QB go with someone who will improve the team. 

[el diablo]

If there isn't a guy on the board that will clearly be significantly better than Moore.  Don't draft a QB go with someone who will improve the team. 

Couldn't agree more.

[tubba marxxx]

If there isn't a guy on the board that will clearly be significantly better than Moore.  Don't draft a QB go with someone who will improve the team. 

Right now, there isn't.  Hence the revist

[MikeO]

Jeff Ireland graduated from Baylor

RGIII is from Baylor

Don't be shocked to see Ireland go all in and give up THREE 1st round picks to move up and take him, If the Fins hire McCoy in fact I would expect it to be honest.

The Fins couldn't get the head coach they want, to sell tickets they need someone to excite the fan base. This is also a business, don't forget that!

[tubba marxxx]

Jeff Ireland graduated from Baylor

RGIII is from Baylor

Don't be shocked to see Ireland go all in and give up THREE 1st round picks to move up and take him, If the Fins hire McCoy in fact I would expect it to be honest.

The Fins couldn't get the head coach they want, to sell tickets they need someone to excite the fan base. This is also a business, don't forget that!

Plus it wouldn't hurt for St. Louis's new coach to swap picks with us as a consolation prize

[Dave Gray]

If we don't draft a QB, I'm in favor of keeping Moore as your starter.

I'm not really a fan of chasing down backups from around the league.

[Dolphin-UK]

Alex Smith, Joe Flacco and to some extent the hot and cold Eli Manning are currently disproving the theory that you can't reach the superbowl unless you have a standout QB...

We aren't in a position to draft a QB because although we could use an upgrade there, we get solid play out of Moore and we are better off focussing on obvious areas of deficiency.

I agree with whoever said if you can't get an upgrade, don't draft a QB.

I'm content to bring in Flynn as long as we don't pay him as a starter, if he wants a shot at being a legit starter he earns the paycheck not the other way around.

[el diablo]

Jeff Ireland graduated from Baylor

RGIII is from Baylor

Don't be shocked to see Ireland go all in and give up THREE 1st round picks to move up and take him, If the Fins hire McCoy in fact I would expect it to be honest.

The Fins couldn't get the head coach they want, to sell tickets they need someone to excite the fan base. This is also a business, don't forget that!

Let me get this straight. Its OK to give up 3 1st round picks from a depleted team, just to draft a QB. So you would be willing to handicap the very QB you traded up for. If the team had no talent, they would have the no. 1 or 2 pick without a trade. This team would be set back whether or not RG 3 pans out or not. Matt Moore isn't garbage. Which is why this is a perfect opportunity to address other areas of need.
You're right. This is a business. Which is why I look at Oakland's situation. No 1st or 2nd Rd picks and they are stuck with Carson Palmer. If RG3 falls in the draft, take him. Otherwise, no deal.

[MikeO]

Let me get this straight. Its OK to give up 3 1st round picks from a depleted team, just to draft a QB. So you would be willing to handicap the very QB you traded up for. If the team had no talent, they would have the no. 1 or 2 pick without a trade. This team would be set back whether or not RG 3 pans out or not. Matt Moore isn't garbage. Which is why this is a perfect opportunity to address other areas of need.
You're right. This is a business. Which is why I look at Oakland's situation. No 1st or 2nd Rd picks and they are stuck with Carson Palmer. If RG3 falls in the draft, take him. Otherwise, no deal.

1) QB is the most important position, so yes I am willing to give up the farm

2) The "draft" isn't the only way to add players to a team. And there is more than 1 round of the draft.

3) I don't see it as a handicap by making a BIG move to get a QB. You need a QB to win in this league, if you don't have one you are a bottom feeding loser of a franchise! Period!

4) Matt Moore IS garbage.

5) The ONLY area of need that matters right now is QB. Fix the QB position and everything else falls into place. Nobody has won a super bowl because they drafted a RG in the first round, sorry.

6) So because Oakland made a bad trade no team should ever trade a draft pick again? don't get that logic

7) Set back? We make no trade and trot out Matt Moore at QB or go sign Orton or Campbell and we are still set back because they all suck. For once, Miami needs to be PROACTIVE!! Make a big move. They don't pass out rings for teams that hold onto draft picks and stay under the cap. Let's TRY and win for once! Go big!

[el diablo]

1) QB is the most important position, so yes I am willing to give up the farm

2) The "draft" isn't the only way to add players to a team. And there is more than 1 round of the draft.

3) I don't see it as a handicap by making a BIG move to get a QB. You need a QB to win in this league, if you don't have one you are a bottom feeding loser of a franchise! Period!

4) Matt Moore IS garbage.

5) The ONLY area of need that matters right now is QB. Fix the QB position and everything else falls into place. Nobody has won a super bowl because they drafted a RG in the first round, sorry.

6) So because Oakland made a bad trade no team should ever trade a draft pick again? don't get that logic

7) Set back? We make no trade and trot out Matt Moore at QB or go sign Orton or Campbell and we are still set back because they all suck. For once, Miami needs to be PROACTIVE!! Make a big move. They don't pass out rings for teams that hold onto draft picks and stay under the cap. Let's TRY and win for once! Go big!

Selling the farm to buy a cow, never works out for the farmer. Ask New Orleans how that Ricky Williams trade worked out. There's no way I would trade up in this years draft to pick a QB. This is a golden opportunity to address other needs. This is why:

Matt Moore is in the last year of his contract. Which means that he is in audition mode. He is not as bad as you believe he is. Jay Fiedler was bad. He has the ability to lead this team. He may never be Tom Brady. He doesn't have to be. Only three other Q's are at that 'elite" level. Two of them are at home watching like everybody else. The other one didn't play all year. The idea that you HAVE to have an "elite" QB to win in this league is a bogus argument. It's bogus because the NFL isn't the NBS. Every "elite" QB has something in common this season. No ground game with weak defenses. And that is why balance is more important. All your QB has to do is make plays like everybody else. You sell the farm, you won't have anybody else making plays. And then you'll be right back here complaining about the "help" your franchise QB doesn't have. The same "help" you traded away.
Rome wasn't built in a day, neither will this franchise be. But it can be destroyed in a day.

[MikeO]

Selling the farm to buy a cow, never works out for the farmer. Ask New Orleans how that Ricky Williams trade worked out. There's no way I would trade up in this years draft to pick a QB. This is a golden opportunity to address other needs. This is why:

Matt Moore is in the last year of his contract. Which means that he is in audition mode. He is not as bad as you believe he is. Jay Fiedler was bad. He has the ability to lead this team. He may never be Tom Brady. He doesn't have to be. Only three other Q's are at that 'elite" level. Two of them are at home watching like everybody else. The other one didn't play all year. The idea that you HAVE to have an "elite" QB to win in this league is a bogus argument. It's bogus because the NFL isn't the NBS. Every "elite" QB has something in common this season. No ground game with weak defenses. And that is why balance is more important. All your QB has to do is make plays like everybody else. You sell the farm, you won't have anybody else making plays. And then you'll be right back here complaining about the "help" your franchise QB doesn't have. The same "help" you traded away.
Rome wasn't built in a day, neither will this franchise be. But it can be destroyed in a day.

You want status quo.....status quo can't work with this group. Bringing back the same bunch and expecting more than 6 wins is laughable.

[Dolphin-UK]

You want status quo.....status quo can't work with this group. Bringing back the same bunch and expecting more than 6 wins is laughable.

But bringing back the same bunch with an unproven QB who is coming out early after one spectacular year makes this team a contender? Really? That's your argument for mortgaging the house?

And if that fails? Then what, when you're stuck with the same bunch give or take a few re-treads signed in free agency, who can't get more than 6 wins, getting high round draft picks which you traded away 2 years ago for the QB that never was. That's an acceptable outcome? Such a short sighted view.

If the phins make this move, and fail, 2 years down the line when the organisation is still recovering and scraping together 2 and 3 win seasons will you be saying "that's ok, because they took a shot to change the status quo!"...hopefully I'll not have to find out the answer to that question but I suspect most people on here know the answer.

I kind of didn't want to make this extra point because it distracts from my argument above, but, They only got 6 wins after Moore came in, he wasn't given a chance to win the first few games so to say they won't win more than 6 is slightly unfair to them.