If the Dolphins are unable to draft a QB

[MikeO]

But bringing back the same bunch with an unproven QB who is coming out early after one spectacular year makes this team a contender? Really? That's your argument for mortgaging the house?

NO!!! But you draft a young QB to begin the process of having a franchise QB for the next 10-15 years! Let him take his lumps now and be the man for many many years. Matt Moore isn't a franchise QB. He was bad in Carolina and bad in Miami. He is a losing QB with no track record of success in the NFL. If Miami drafts a QB in the Top 10 of the draft somewhere you are drafting a franchise QB! That doesn't mean you win a Super Bowl in a year, it means you are moving towards building your franchise around him.

And if it fails, it fails. Miami has failed for 10 years, how is it any different? 1 playoff win in 13 years. That's failure. SO fail the same or fail new way. What's the difference. Lets swing for the fences and try something different that MAY work. What they are doing now DOESN'T work and we have a decade of results to prove it!

[el diablo]

NO!!! But you draft a young QB to begin the process of having a franchise QB for the next 10-15 years! Let him take his lumps now and be the man for many many years. Matt Moore isn't a franchise QB. He was bad in Carolina and bad in Miami. He is a losing QB with no track record of success in the NFL. If Miami drafts a QB in the Top 10 of the draft somewhere you are drafting a franchise QB! That doesn't mean you win a Super Bowl in a year, it means you are moving towards building your franchise around him.

And how do you plan on building this franchise by mortgaging the house? How is it, that your "franchise" QB is allowed to take his lumps, but Matt Moore isn't? The man got 6 wins under 2 different head coaches in the same season. How is that losing? Costing the franchise another 10 years with that draft strategy is losing. A new QB, with a new HC & OC, with a GM on a short leash, without future draft picks is a recipe for disaster. There is no blueprint in that scenario. None. Then again I forgot that Dan Marino, Brett Favre, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner,  Jim Kelly,  Joe Montana, & Roger Staubach were all top 10 draft picks.

[Dolphin-UK]

Interesting, and actually I don't have a problem with forcing chance to try and turn the tide of fortunes, I just disagree with how much you spend to do it.

However, what is the recent track record of teams who have drafted QB's and let them "take their lumps now", and of the teams you're about to quote at me, is it any better than a 50/50 proposition? For every Cam Newton there's a Blaine Gabbert...for every Andy Dalton there's a Christian Ponder.

[el diablo]

Interesting, and actually I don't have a problem with forcing chance to try and turn the tide of fortunes, I just disagree with how much you spend to do it.

However, what is the recent track record of teams who have drafted QB's and let them "take their lumps now", and of the teams you're about to quote at me, is it any better than a 50/50 proposition? For every Cam Newton there's a Blaine Gabbert...for every Andy Dalton there's a Christian Ponder.

I agree with you. If RG III were to fall in our lap, I wouldn't have a problem. I would still want to consider other areas. But, I couldn't pass on that opportunity either.

[Phishfan]

If Miami drafts a QB in the Top 10 of the draft somewhere you are drafting a franchise QB! That doesn't mean you win a Super Bowl in a year, it means you are moving towards building your franchise around him.

I hate the term franchise QB. Drafting one in the first round doesn't mean you are drafting one, it just means you hope you drafted one. Also, isn't just about every offense built around the QB regardless of who it is? I hate to open this for debate again but according to your theory, Tim Tebow is an incredibly effective franchise QB because I've never seen an offense built specifically around a QB more then that one.

[MyGodWearsAHoodie]

I hate the term franchise QB. Drafting one in the first round doesn't mean you are drafting one, it just means you hope you drafted one. Also, isn't just about every offense built around the QB regardless of who it is? I hate to open this for debate again but according to your theory, Tim Tebow is an incredibly effective franchise QB because I've never seen an offense built specifically around a QB more then that one.

+1

Also I am pretty sure Tom Brady and Tony Romo are franchise QBs.  Neither of them were drafted in the first round.  Heck, one wasn't even drafted. 

[suck for luck]

Damn this shit gets old. LOL

[EKnight]

It does get old doesn't it? I agree that Matt Moore is currently our best option. Hamstringing the team on the chance that moving up gets a franchise QB at the cost of several draft picks, when the teap has SO many holes to fill seems illiogical to me. If we could get someone young and healthy cheap, that's one thing, but with the laundry list of upgrades the team needs, going "all in" with the belief that because it's a different approach that somehow guarantees succes doesn't pan out with the real-life situations. Since 1992, the list of first round QB's who either sucked or were pathetically average, but were taken because their team "needed" a QB is a mile long, and FAR outweighs the few who were great:
1992: David Klingler, Dave Brown, Tommy Maddux
1993: Drew Bledsoe, Rick Mirer
1995: Steve McNair, Kerry Collins
1997: Jim Druckenmiller
1998: Manning and Leaf
1999: Tim Couch, Donovan McNabb, Akili Smith, Daunte Culpepper, Cade McNown
2000: Chad Pennington
2001: Michael VIck
2002: David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey
2003: Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman
2004: Eli, Rivers, Ben, JP Losman
2005: Alex Smith, Jason Campbell
2006: Vince Young, Matt Leinart
2007: JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn
2008: Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco
2009: Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman
2010: Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow
2011: Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder

What I see in this list- looking as objectively as I can- are maybe 10 or so guys, at the height of their careers could be considered "elite," a handful of guys who are serviceable, and the rest are not so good. That's like 16-18 out of 45. Not good odds. I also see teams like Cleveland, Cincy, SF, and Jax using multiple first round picks to improve at the position, and their picks have yet to make a huge impact or made no positive impact on the teams at all (holding out judgement on  Smith, who keeps being referred to as a "game manager.") My point is that many of these teams kept "swinging for the fences" on first round QB selections, and they still stunk. It's a total crapshoot at best, so IMO giving up multiple picks and multiple chances to improve your team in multiple areas doesn't make sense. That's my opinion. Take it for what it's worth. -EK

[suck for luck]

I think we should get a QB in the 8th rd. or look at the CFL and Home Depot for our QB. We'll save lots of money and our odds are just as good as picking someone in the first round.

[EKnight]

LOL, sadly, that might actually be true. -EK

[MikeO]

And how do you plan on building this franchise by mortgaging the house? How is it, that your "franchise" QB is allowed to take his lumps, but Matt Moore isn't? The man got 6 wins under 2 different head coaches in the same season. How is that losing? Costing the franchise another 10 years with that draft strategy is losing. A new QB, with a new HC & OC, with a GM on a short leash, without future draft picks is a recipe for disaster. There is no blueprint in that scenario. None. Then again I forgot that Dan Marino, Brett Favre, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Kurt Warner,  Jim Kelly,  Joe Montana, & Roger Staubach were all top 10 draft picks.

What do you think Miami is giving up entire drafts? Just a couple first round picks for crying out loud! Not giving up every pick for 5 years for christ sakes!

Matt Moore has been in the league for 5+ years, he has no more lumps to take. He is who he is! And you can't ignore his Carolina days where hew as god awful. And this year in Miami vs every "GOOD" team he faced, he lost! Enough with the Matt Moore talk. He is a career back-up, nothing more.

And who says the GM is on a short leash, what team do you follow? Ireland has job security like a Supreme Court Judge

[Dave Gray]

Since 1992, the list of first round QB's who either sucked or were pathetically average, but were taken because their team "needed" a QB is a mile long, and FAR outweighs the few who were great.

I hate this stat.

It's obvious.  Of course more 1st round QBs fail than work out.  That's because most QBs fail, period.  If you look at the percentage of QBs that work out drafted in the first vs the percentage of those that work out drafted in all other rounds, your 1st round picks are going to have a higher success rate, just like at any position.

[MikeO]

I think we should get a QB in the 8th rd. or look at the CFL and Home Depot for our QB. We'll save lots of money and our odds are just as good as picking someone in the first round.

Miami hasn't taken a QB in Rd 1 since 1983. And some people are afraid to take now one for a million silly reasons. If you don't feel RGIII is the guy, then don't trade up. If you feel he is a franchise QB and a legit NFL QB and you have the opportunity to, then do it. Give up a couple first round picks, not every draft pick. Just a couple first rounders, not the end of the world.  Miami has tried EVERYTHING but drafting a franchise QB and it has all failed. Free agency, trades, taking QB's late in the draft, waiver wire....everything, it has blown up in their face a million times. And some fans want more of the same. It's F'n amazing! It really is. Something fails over and over again, lets try the same failed blueprint again.

While half the league makes a bold move to go get a guy to build their offense around Miami fans want the team to sit around with their balls in their purse hoping to get lucky and have lightening  strike and hand them a QB. Yeah, maybe being bold and making a big move for a QB doesnt' work. But I know what Miami has done the last 12 years hasn't and won't work either! GO FOR IT!

And just because a team was DUMB and invested in the wrong guy doesn't mean you give up and don't try. You have enough confidence in the people making your draft picks that they will pick the RIGHT guy!

[el diablo]

What do you think Miami is giving up entire drafts? Just a couple first round picks for crying out loud! Not giving up every pick for 5 years for christ sakes!

Just a couple of 1st Rounders? Really? If the person we would be trading up for wasn't a Heisman winning QB, maybe. If Miami wasn't desperate for a QB, maybe. There's no way Miami gets off that easy.

And I'm supposed to forget what Moore did at Miami, but judge him by what he did at Carolina? Are you kidding? Obviously not. Which is scary.

[MikeO]

Just a couple of 1st Rounders? Really? If the person we would be trading up for wasn't a Heisman winning QB, maybe. If Miami wasn't desperate for a QB, maybe. There's no way Miami gets off that easy.

And I'm supposed to forget what Moore did at Miami, but judge him by what he did at Carolina? Are you kidding? Obviously not. Which is scary.

Why the Carolina years don't count? Name the winning team Moore beat this year?  I know he beat a bad Buffalo team twice, Washington, KC, and Oakland. Any of those guys in the playoffs? Check that, name 1 winning team Matt Moore has beaten since the start of the 2010 season. I will wait.

I know when he played decent teams this year like NE, Giants, Philly, Dallas, Denver....HE LOST!

I am supposed to be impressed? Please! Beat a good team then talk to me. Moore hasn't beat a good team in 2 whole seasons now when he has started.