Brandon Marshall

[EKnight]

Voted into the Pro Bowl again. Just became only the third Dolphin receiver ever to have back-to-back 1000 yard seasons (the other three guys only did that once), is within 100 yards of having the 4th best receiving yardage total in Dolphins' history, leads the NFL in passes of 25+ yards with 16 (ahead of Fitz, Cruz, Smith, Green, and Calvin Johnson), is 9th overall in receptions, and has doubled his TD production from last year (and is ahead of his career average), and is within one or two TD's of guys like Vincent Jackson, Holmes, Mike Wallace, Green, and White. He is now tied for second in dropped passes, which says a lot considering that he was out in front of everyone two months ago. IMO, he has shown that he is a number one receiver this season. -EK

[Dave Gray]

^ I begrudglingly agree.  I was VERY critical of Marshall early.  He does drop too many balls, but has improved, and has contributed to a good stretch at the end of the season.  I have reversed my opinion of him and feel that he's worthy of keeping, despite the cost.

[EKnight]

IMO, the MOST frustrating thing about the season is that for the first time in franchise history, we have a 1000 yard receiver and a 1000 yard rusher and won 5 games. How does that happen??? -EK

[Brian Fein]

Watching games, It doesn't appear that he has had that kind of season.

But looking at numbers, its interesting that he is near the top in the league.

[Dave Gray]

IMO, the MOST frustrating thing about the season is that for the first time in franchise history, we have a 1000 yard receiver and a 1000 yard rusher and won 5 games. How does that happen??? -EK

Because they haven't been situationally effective.  Brandon Marshall couldn't score TDs...only move the ball at midfield.  Bush turned it with big chunks of yards, but we can't convert 3rd or 4th and 1.

Also, I don't think our coaching staff got the most out of these players when it mattered most.

[Landshark]

^ I begrudglingly agree.  I was VERY critical of Marshall early.  He does drop too many balls, but has improved, and has contributed to a good stretch at the end of the season.  I have reversed my opinion of him and feel that he's worthy of keeping, despite the cost.

A good offensive weapon but if Indy or St Louis want him in a package to move up to get Andrew Luck, then he would be expendable.  Good receivers can be had in the later rounds of the draft.

[EKnight]

A good offensive weapon but if Indy or St Louis want him in a package to move up to get Andrew Luck, then he would be expendable.  Good receivers can be had in the later rounds of the draft.

I think that would be a mistake. Based on what Miami did in the second half of the season, and based on his play trading Marshall would be a bad idea for three reasons. First, I don't think many people realize how good he was the second half of the year. He averaged 93 yards a game over the past 8, had 5 TD's and fewer drops than Bess. Second, while good receivers may be had in later rounds, 6'4" 230 pound Pro Bowl receivers that have that kind of production are few and far between, even in the first round. Lastly, and I'll happily eat my words whenif I'm wrong, but I am still not convinced that any ONE player coming out of college- especially a QB- can possibly live up to the hype that Luck is getting, or even be as good as he is projected to be. ESPN has run numerous pieces on previously highly-touted first-round QB's and at best it's a 50/50 gamble. There's no way I give away several picks, PLUS a Brandon Marshall to get a guy who may be the next Manning, but also may be the next Leaf. Hasn't anybody learned a thing from the Saints and Vikings doing this?? If Miami could do it for one or two picks (a la Eli), maybe it' a different story, but from what I'm reading that will NEVER happen. Adam Schefter is one of many people with the following opinion on his trade value: "that pick would be worth, roughly worth, three (first-round picks) and two (second-rounders), maybe four first-round picks."  -EK

[Dave Gray]

A good offensive weapon but if Indy or St Louis want him in a package to move up to get Andrew Luck, then he would be expendable.  Good receivers can be had in the later rounds of the draft.

You gotta get this out of your head.  I see you suggest this over and over for different people who are underperformind/injured/headcases.  You can't trade people for Superstars that aren't at the top of their game.  Brandon Marshall isn't a world-beater and he's getting world-beater money.  You trade high -- not low.

[MikeO]

 I know I am in the minority opinion here, and some can believe what they want and love the guy to death. But I don't see it with him. His number of receptions have been in decline for 4 years now. 76 receptions and 6 TD's is NOT a great year. While some others might have fewer receptions they have more TD's and produce when it matters. He has 1100+ yards,...ok. In this pass-happy league that isn't so special as it used to be. Out of the Top 15 WR's his YAC is the lowest among that group this year.  And I am NOT giving him credit for "doubling" his touchdown production when he had all of 3 TD's last year. Please. For what he is getting paid he should have doubled it, no extra credit for that.

And the dropped passes can't be brushed aside, he cost us at least 1-3 wins alone. The Browns game being the perfect example of one where if he makes a easy catch in the endzone, the Dolphins win without a doubt. And I can make a case where 2 other games Miami could have won if he holds onto an easy touchdown pass. But lets not debate that for the 10,000,000th time. Being voted as a back-up to the Pro Bowl doesn't change the fact the guy is getting paid like a #1 WR but doesn't perform like one.

This guy is still one infraction away from a 3rd strike and a year suspension, if Miami can move him and unload his contract to get a franchise QB....you do it! It's not even up for debate. This guy hasn't changed one bit being in Miami, in fights with his girlfriend where he is getting stabbed, being dragged to a police station cause he is fighting with cab drivers, ripping up subpoena's in the court house in front of the DA, punching Vontae Davis in the lockeroom. The outlandish comments about wanting to be thrown out of games then in the game catching a pass with a clear path to the endzone and running out of bounds for no reason. It never ends with him. If Miami can unload him as part of a package to  land Luck or a franchise QB, its not even debatable you do it.

I don't see it with him. 76 catches and 6 touchdowns isn't a special year. Factor in the countless drops and I really just don't see it. For what Marshall is getting paid, 76 balls and 6 TD's....please!! When I list the #1 WR's in this league, Marshall isn't anywhere near the Top 10 when you factor EVERYTHING in.

Give me (Wallace, Calvin, Andre, Fitz, Nicks, Dez, Roddy, Jennings, Vincent Jackson, Maclin) any day of the week over Brandon and that's off the top of my head. If I sat down and put in time I am sure I could come up with a few more. And there are a few #2 WR's on teams that I would take over Brandon at this stage as well.

[EKnight]

Give me (Wallace, Calvin, Andre, Fitz, Nicks, Dez, Roddy, Jennings, Vincent Jackson, Maclin) any day of the week over Brandon and that's off the top of my head. If I sat down and put in time I am sure I could come up with a few more. And there are a few #2 WR's on teams that I would take over Brandon at this stage as well.

Amazing. In your list of guys who are better "any day of the week," you included several with comparable or worse stats than Marshall. Other than your obvious bias against him, how does that work? In this "pass happy" league, where you discount the number of receptions Marshall has, you overlooked the following: Wallace has fewer receptions, and a whopping 18 more yards. Andre is hurt, so there's no telling what he may have done, but given the reliance on the run in Houston, it's hard to say if he would have put up numbers similar to previous years. Johnson is a no-brainer. Nicks has fewer reception, fewer yards, and the same number of TD's with a MUCH better QB. Dez was hurt for a portion of the year, but when he DID play, his numbers were worse than Marshall's in terms of receptions and yards. Jennings? Really? Best offense in the league and he hasn't cracked 1000 yards yet. I know he missed two games, but his yard per game average is WORSE than Marshall's. Jackson had 58 receptions. 56? And you are griping about Marshall's 76? Maclin didn't even put up the best numbers on his own team, so I have no clue where that one came from. He's got fewer receptions (by 20+), fewer yards (by like 400), and even fewer TD's. Then there's Roddy White. For someone so hung up on dropped balls, this is the ultimate hypocrisy. Roddy leads the league in drops and has a whopping 80 yards more receiving than Marshall does. In fact, almost every guy on your list of "any day of the week" (except Calvin) only has fewer yards or receptions and only about 2 more TD's than Marshall this year.

Pro Bowler, comparable numbers to most of your list of elites, 5th (maybe 4th? we'll see) best receiving yardage in team history, and you want to trade him? Good God I'm glad you voice your opinion here, and have no actual say-so in what the team does. You want to unload everybody except Dansby and Burnett, even though the defense can't stop anybody this year! -EK

[MikeO]

Amazing. In your list of guys who are better "any day of the week," you included several with comparable or worse stats than Marshall. Other than your obvious bias against him, how does that work? In this "pass happy" league, where you discount the number of receptions Marshall has, you overlooked the following: Wallace has fewer receptions, and a whopping 18 more yards. Andre is hurt, so there's no telling what he may have done, but given the reliance on the run in Houston, it's hard to say if he would have put up numbers similar to previous years. Johnson is a no-brainer. Nicks has fewer reception, fewer yards, and the same number of TD's with a MUCH better QB. Dez was hurt for a portion of the year, but when he DID play, his numbers were worse than Marshall's in terms of receptions and yards. Jennings? Really? Best offense in the league and he hasn't cracked 1000 yards yet. I know he missed two games, but his yard per game average is WORSE than Marshall's. Jackson had 58 receptions. 56? And you are griping about Marshall's 76? Maclin didn't even put up the best numbers on his own team, so I have no clue where that one came from. He's got fewer receptions (by 20+), fewer yards (by like 400), and even fewer TD's. Then there's Roddy White. For someone so hung up on dropped balls, this is the ultimate hypocrisy. Roddy leads the league in drops and has a whopping 80 yards more receiving than Marshall does. In fact, almost every guy on your list of "any day of the week" (except Calvin) only has fewer yards or receptions and only about 2 more TD's than Marshall this year.

Pro Bowler, comparable numbers to most of your list of elites, 5th (maybe 4th? we'll see) best receiving yardage in team history, and you want to trade him? Good God I'm glad you voice your opinion here, and have no actual say-so in what the team does. You want to unload everybody except Dansby and Burnett, even though the defense can't stop anybody this year! -EK

I am biased but you aren't? LOL...uh, ok. What are you Marshall's agent? Marriage Counselor? Therapist? Shrink? Director of his crappy documentary? You sniff his jock so bad you need to put gold bond powder on your nose to get rid of the jock itch.

And I have said get rid of everyone except Dansby and Burnett?? Sure about that?!  Let's see....I did proclaim last years draft class as the best Fins draft class in a long time. I have said our future o-line might already be on our roster and we don't need to add anyone from the outside. I have said we can lose Langford because we have the depth to replace him in house. I have praised Bush and called Daniel Thomas a young Mendenhall. If you read what I write instead of looking to attack me on every little thing you might see what I actually say and its not all negative like you would want to believe.

If you want to hold the opinion that ONLY Calvin Johnson is better than Brandon Marshall....go for it. But few people (if any) will agree with you. And its funny the ONLY stats you use are receptions and yards, and not Touchdowns and YAC where every WR you mention beat Marshall this year and in past years. And you have to question if Andre Johnson is a better player than Marshall....ha.

You clearly disagree and I clearly stated I have the minority opinion around here, no need to get your panties in a wad over it. You have known my stance on Brandon Marshall for months, not sure why you flipped out on it. Did you think I was going to do a 180 based on being voted as a back-up to the pro bowl? 76 catches, 6 TD's....not a great year for a WR. Sorry. isn't!

P.S....being glad I don't make decisions. You are the one who thinks Jerome Simpson and his 40 receptions is a "stud" WR. Thinks Marc Sanchez is having a great year. And thinks Tebow is the 2nd coming of chr...Elw...well just the 2nd coming! lol

[EKnight]

When did I ever say ONLY Calvin was better? I said ONLY Calvin on that ridiculous list you presented of guys who are supposed to be so much better anyone would take them so readily over Marshall. I have known your stance, and apparently, even when you are wrong about something, you don't change it. Even Dave, who has been pretty critical of Marshall, admitted he was wrong, but I forgot, you lack that phrase in your vocabulary.

Yes, I absolutely think Simpson is a stud. Give him time, AS I ALREADY SAID. Sanchez? YOU made the comment he is having his worst year. Care to make sense out of that? Regarding Tebow, all I've ever said is that he wins and he's better than what they had. I have repeatedly stated he's around 10th in the league, and only there because a few guys ahead of him are injured. Way to put words in my mouth though. Stay classy Mike. -EK

[MikeO]

Yes, I absolutely think Simpson is a stud. Give him time, AS I ALREADY SAID. Sanchez? YOU made the comment he is having his worst year. Care to make sense out of that? Regarding Tebow, all I've ever said is that he wins and he's better than what they had. I have repeatedly stated he's around 10th in the league, and only there because a few guys ahead of him are injured. Way to put words in my mouth though. Stay classy Mike. -EK

Simpson is a stud.....but "give him time" LOL LOL! You can't make this stuff up!

Sanchez Year 1: AFC Champ Game
Sanchez Year 2: AFC Champ Game
Sanchez Year 3: NO PLAYOFFS!

Happy New Year EK!

[EKnight]

How does his team's previous playoff run have anything to do with his current regular season performance? Anyone on the planet will tell you- since you obviously missed it- that he stunk in the regular season both years, and caught lightning in a bottle once the playoffs started. Highest TD total, highest QB rating, highest completion %, highest yardage total, highest rushing TD total of his career, but it's his worst year?? Hey, Maurice Jones-Drew and L. McCoy are leading the league in rushing, but their teams are not making the playoffs either. Guess it's THEIR worst year as well, right? You're right, you CAN'T make this stuff up. -EK

[Spider-Dan]

MikeO, since you claimed that Jason Allen being cut "proved" that you were right about him sucking, I presume that Brandon Marshall making the Pro Bowl "proves" that you were wrong about him sucking?

If not, what would it take for you to be proven wrong?  Consecutive Pro Bowls?  All-Pro?  MVP?