joe philbin is the new coach

[EKnight]

Mike, is that because he gets knocked for the talent he has and not enough credit for his coaching? Similar to Phil Jackson taking years to get the credit he deserved because he had MJ, then Shaq and Kobe? Just wondering. -EK

[MikeO]

Mike, is that because he gets knocked for the talent he has and not enough credit for his coaching? Similar to Phil Jackson taking years to get the credit he deserved because he had MJ, then Shaq and Kobe? Just wondering. -EK

I don't know. I like Sean Payton. I'm not knocking him and I disagree with the people who do.

[EKnight]

I tend to agree. -EK

[Spider-Dan]

Yeah most. His in game decisions are considered terrible by a lot of people. He risks too much and doesn't play "smart" football at times. Over aggressive by some and careless.

I'm not surprised to hear the hyper-conservative talking heads deride Payton for being "over-aggressive."

[Pappy13]

I think after Fisher he was the best choice.

Best choice from among the candidates that Miami interviewed or best choice from among the candidates that were available? Miami didn't interview a couple of guys that I would have interviewed. Billick for one. And if the reason they didn't interview him was because of the rumored issue that Ross had with him, that doesn't exactly instill a lot of confidence of Ross in me. I HOPE that wasn't the reason they didn't interview him.

[Phishfan]

^^^ It has been a while, but wasn't the point of those articles that what Ross said was in jest and Billick responded negatively to it. That seems more like Billick having issue with Ross than vice versa. I may have misread, but I took it Ross wasn't serious in his comment.

[Pappy13]

^^ My understanding is that Billick thought Ross was joking when Ross mentioned it to him and even put it in his book that he owed Ross 40 million.  Ross wasn't joking or at least he didn't think it was funny and was apparently upset with the book.

[Phishfan]

I just tried looking it up and found three articles immediately. One made it seem like a contentious relationship (the one posted in our forum) and the others didn't mention it being anything other than joking around. I'm not sure where it stands based on that.

[MikeO]

I'm not surprised to hear the hyper-conservative talking heads deride Payton for being "over-aggressive."

The one big knock that has always been on Sean Payton is in 2000 and some people can't get over is when he was the Giants offensive coordinator they offense struggled badly. Then when Jim Fassell stripped him mid-season of his play calling duties and started calling the plays himself the offense got RED HOT with Fassel's play calling on offense, won the NFC Championship game 41-0 on their way to the Super Bowl.

I mean Payton was a young coach then, but in this league some people never forget! And some people think take away a hall of famer like Brees and he would be an ordinary coach today.

Look, I like the guy. I'm just telling you why alot of people don't. Which I don't get

[MikeO]

Best choice from among the candidates that Miami interviewed or best choice from among the candidates that were available? Miami didn't interview a couple of guys that I would have interviewed. Billick for one. And if the reason they didn't interview him was because of the rumored issue that Ross had with him, that doesn't exactly instill a lot of confidence of Ross in me. I HOPE that wasn't the reason they didn't interview him.

BOTH. Nobody else is out there. Who else you want? Winston Moss? Brian Schottenimer? Marty Schottenimer? Mike Mularkey? Mike McCoy? Mike Zimmer? It was a weak pool this year and Philbin was probably the best of the group. Whether this was a deep pool this year or a shallow pool, Philbin was getting a job. He was the next in line among assistants in this league and if Miami didn't hire him then Oakland or Tampa would have. In fact when Ross called him last week he got Philbin OFF the plan as he was about to head to Oakland. Philbin was getting hired someplace this year.

And on Billick. It's NOT just Miami who doesn't interview him. NO TEAM IN THE LEAGUE has even given Billick an interview. Every team can't be wrong. He has huge red flags.  Since Billick got fired in Baltimore, not 1 team has given him the time of day.  Not 1 interview! To hold that against Miami and only Miami I don't get.

Just remember, when Mike McCarthy left SF as offensive coordinator and got the Packers job a few years back, the SF offense McCarthy was running was ranked 31st in the league. You think Packers fans were doing back-flips when they heard McCarthy was coming to GB?! I'm just saying Philbin was highly regarded by many across the league and I won't crap on this hire. Out of everyone left I think he was the best and I like the move by Ross/Ireland.

[Pappy13]

I just tried looking it up and found three articles immediately. One made it seem like a contentious relationship (the one posted in our forum) and the others didn't mention it being anything other than joking around. I'm not sure where it stands based on that.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/09/2578694/jeff-fisher-by-logic-is-miami.html

Here's where I read it.

[Phishfan]

That is the link that we had on this site. The Sun Sentinel had two others I saw that didn't show real contention between the two. I don't really care for Armando anyway.